Town Halls Turn into Town Mess

[toasty]

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just got a text from a friend who is in attendance at Claire McCaskill's Town Hall here in MO right now -- evidently, one of these wingnuts just grabbed a picture of Rosa Parks from one of the participants and tore it in half. That should be well-received.

[Cj Tari]

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Liberal media continues racist talk. Says that Socialist is a code word for the N-word. Obama pushing race again. This race call is getting out of hand.

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how is this "Obama pushing race again"? just because one dude from the media is saying this, it automatically means that its coming straight from Obamas office?

the one thing this guy is right about is when he says, " More credible conservatives have to stand up and say that there is a line that has to be drawn" how can you say, these folks are just pissed and just about had it with Obama, when dude basically just took office a couple of months back. but nobody is willing to look at these conservative leaders that are constantly saying that obama is a socialist, that his views are nazi like, etc, like i stated before, shit has to go both ways, if youre gonna criticize one side for being one thing, then you have to look at the other side and also point out the shit they are doing. The dems have to get their facts straight and point out all of these right wingers who are calling for these town hall riots.

About your proposition for Obama to show you the facts, and basically give you a one to one explanation about the health care reform, isnt that what the Town Hall meetings are all about?? arent those done in order for people to ask the questions and concerns?? So in other words, how can they explain to you how this reform is going to work when you are not letting them explain it??

also your other demands are just very un-realistic, like the goverment is gonna start doing all these things just for you to understand.

[Miroslav]

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Obama pushing race again. This race call is getting out of hand.

I know this may come as a big surprise to you... but actually, not every black man you see on TV is named "Obama", nor do they all necessarily speak for President Obama.

[runningman]

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Obama needs to restore confidence in the US gov't to the average American. THey have lost faith in their gov'ts and are lashing out. Lashing out is never rational and that is what you are seeing.

You can't blame Rush for what he says and not blame idiots like that nbc guy of stirring the pot. That was the point I was trying to make. I am sick of hearing about race when that has NOTHING to do with it. The liberal media is turning it into that.

The town halls are not working to say the least and the dems need a new tactic. I was giving suggestions. You guys must admit that the town halls are not working in favor of the dems. They should stop doing them and do something else.

As for things that are "unrealistic" we live in a digital world and you can get in contact with anyone whenever you want through email. If spammers can find me then I'm sure the US gov't could as well.

CJ your last comment just goes to show that you don't know what you are talking about. The white house has a site that you can email and they will respond with an answer. So yes they can do what I was proposing. I'm trying to give solutions to the dems and pointing out facts. They better do something to help people to understand before someone gets shot.

Toasty WTF was a picture of Rosa Parks doing at a health care event?? That is a deliberate attempt to stir up the race issue.

I must admit though that Obama did point out a great point in his speech. FedEx and UPS are doing just fine but Post Office is always broke.. Private sector works. Free market capitallism works.

[superdave]

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Race has been brought into the picture since the town halls aren't going well for the Democrats. I guess it's the Obama team's nuclear option. When in doubt shame the other side with racism. Paul Krugman wrote about racism used tacitly towards Obama in his op-ed last week. And I've seen and heard other news analysts claiming racism in the town halls. However, I don't think racism will work this time since most people don't see a logical connection between racism and health care. Hey Obama, it's not all about you, you ego-maniac!

[superdave]

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People fear change I'm tired of these old fucks.

Nice way to describe our senior citizens! They fear change because they are afraid they won't get the same health care they have now. Obama and others pushing this bill will tell you that end of life health care is too expensive and there will be counseling on what care should be provided under the new plan. Counseling is too broad of a term and could be interpreted as we'll let you die because this procedure costs too much money. If you were say 70 years old, you'd be concerned too.

[etincelles]

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[floridaorange]

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Race has been brought into the picture since the town halls aren't going well for the Democrats. I guess it's the Obama team's nuclear option. When in doubt shame the other side with racism. Paul Krugman wrote about racism used tacitly towards Obama in his op-ed last week. And I've seen and heard other news analysts claiming racism in the town halls. However, I don't think racism will work this time since most people don't see a logical connection between racism and health care. Hey Obama, it's not all about you, you ego-maniac!

Sounds like an accurate synopsis to me.

[srbbnd]

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Apropos of your post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-u..._b_255273.html

Great article. IMO I feel a lot of people are just pissed Obama got elected and this gives them a chance to vent or something to pick at.

[srbbnd]

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Nice way to describe our senior citizens! They fear change because they are afraid they won't get the same health care they have now. Obama and others pushing this bill will tell you that end of life health care is too expensive and there will be counseling on what care should be provided under the new plan. Counseling is too broad of a term and could be interpreted as we'll let you die because this procedure costs too much money. If you were say 70 years old, you'd be concerned too.

Typical

[Miroslav]

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Nice way to describe our senior citizens! They fear change because they are afraid they won't get the same health care they have now. Obama and others pushing this bill will tell you that end of life health care is too expensive and there will be counseling on what care should be provided under the new plan. Counseling is too broad of a term and could be interpreted as we'll let you die because this procedure costs too much money. If you were say 70 years old, you'd be concerned too.

Ha... as if. Look, I'm not even in favor of this plan in its current form, but I have to say that your statement is completely inaccurate. And if those 70 year olds are scared, it's probably because their share your misinformed point of view. Read this closely:

The proposal does NOT say that you must submit to some sort of "counseling" that will result in you being forced to die without health care. The provision you're talking about only authorizes Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care and other related issues (living wills, hospice care, etc.) IF THE PATIENT REQUESTS IT.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-health-care-end-of-life-qa,0,4107295.story

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/11/national/w000510D98.DTL&tsp=1

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/betsy-mccaughey/mccaughey-claims-end-life-counseling-will-be-requi/

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2009/db20090730_530683.htm

There's a lot more out there if you just Google it. And see the last article I posted: even the AARP says this talk of "death panels" is bullshit and supports plan.

So please...reconsider your "facts". Your credibility would be greatly enhanced if demonstrated an independent understanding of some of the key elements of the proposal as opposed to whatever fantasies your biased right-wing sources try to scare into you in the name of their partisan agenda.

What's scarier to me than anything in Obama's plan is the level of intelligence being demonstrated by so many people at these town halls who are speaking out on national TV and making all kinds of ridiculous - clearly without even a clue as to what is actually in the proposal. If we make these changes, we'll all become "Godless Rooshians" overnight!... We'll all start goose stepping and giving the Heil salute!... The government will force us to burn American flags and eat our babies!... Please. These are my fellow citizens who have the same vote as me and could serve as a jury of my peers?? That scares me.

[Cj Tari]

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wow, im always amused on the really really insightful ways you reply to other peoples ignorants remarks, my hat is of to you Mr. Miro.

Rm, what i meant about your "proposals" is that i doubt the goverment is gonna create a facebook acount just so that it can send you some "info".

[runningman]

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There's a lot more out there if you just Google it. And see the last article I posted: even the AARP says this talk of "death panels" is bullshit and supports plan.

So please...reconsider your "facts". Your credibility would be greatly enhanced if demonstrated an independent understanding of some of the key elements of the proposal as opposed to whatever fantasies your biased right-wing sources try to scare into you in the name of their partisan agenda.

Oh Miro this is embarrasing. I hate to have to do this but.... and CJ you yet again show your intelligence by backing Miro on his statement.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/president-obamas-senior-moment.html

"The problem?

The AARP hasn't endorsed any plan yet.

The country's largest advocacy group for Americans over 50 issued a statement after the event saying, "While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate."

Me --><--Miro

You were saying something about facts and credibility?? Don't just listen to your President with big ears and in the future actually look into your facts. He is back in campaign (liar) mode. So it seems Seniors have a legitimate reason to be skeptical even more so now that they have been lied to.

So who is really playing the disinformation game here?? This makes the swastikas look like the dems might have done it now.

It is like what my boss says "it is hard to sell something when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about."

I wonder how the media is going to spin this tomorrow. Maybe just a quick retraction so the sound bite can stay alive and well.

[runningman]

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Oh and CJ it looks like the President is listening to me.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

You were right though it wasn't a facebook account.

Even the AP is in on the lie about AARP

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hnpVQA2hVCTkw3i_Q0T5SraadeVgD9A0QV1G2

[Cj Tari]

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how is this:

"Everyone should receive an email of the powerpoint or create a facebook account that you have on the news every night with the powerpoint attached. Have different attachments"

even remotly close to a webpage were you could get the facts, basically the same way as if you actually read the bill. Again, all im saying is that the goverment is not gonna call your house, or be-friend you on myspace so you can "understand" things, everybody has the oportunity and the responsability to do a little research if they are that much against the thing.

About the AARP, it seems they need to get their people in check, becasue you will find reports all over the news saying how local aarp offices are showing their support for Obamas plan:

West Los Angeles AARP supports Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-meeks/west-los-angeles-aarp-sup_b_130356.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/letters/bal-aarpletter0730,0,4219940.story

http://www.tnj.com/barry-rand-supports-obama%E2%80%99s-healthcare-plan

and heres more with some video of some AARP peeps saying how theyre advocating for the healthcare plan.

http://action.afa.net/videos/aarp/

again, i trully dont know why the AARP would back out of their own claims but hey, i really dont care.