you know what's astonishing?

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

after looking into it further, iguess it was all just a dream, i only wish i had the time in my life to keep up a fight that no one has the balls to do anything about anyway.


one day when you wake up with your freedoms gone and your dollar collapsed, you might catch a glimpse of why the towers fell.

untill then my friends, keep dancing your ass off!

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

after looking into it further, iguess it was all just a dream, i only wish i had the time in my life to keep up a fight that no one has the balls to do anything about anyway.


one day when you wake up with your freedoms gone and your dollar collapsed, you might catch a glimpse of why the towers fell.

untill then my friends, keep dancing your ass off!

Ok thanks. Come back when you have some evidence and reasoning to support your great theory as to how/why the government flew everyone on Flight 93 to some secret location and killed them all.

[yesme]

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Ok thanks. Come back when you have some evidence and reasoning to support your great theory as to how/why the government flew everyone on Flight 93 to some secret location and killed them all.

there will never be enough evidence to convince you that your the master of your own fate and that your truely a free man.

you sir are owned, all the way down to your soul, you live, sleep and spit out propaganda, you have been branded from birth and dont even know it.

my words are not understood and i have surely lost my mind, how could you not be in control? you vote right, you live in a free country. you can do what you want when you want, not like in iran right.

economy is a little shaky right now, but other then that, life is good right?


good for you brother, like i said before, enjoy it while you can, and flash back to the first post i made and said that no matter what, you still would not believe anything other then what you had before we started.

now thats a conspiracy eh?

remember the 94% if nothing else from this conversation.

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

there will never be enough evidence to convince you that your the master of your own fate and that your truely a free man.

Maybe not. I guess I just didn't realize that being the "master of your own fate" required self-righteous belief in nutty ideas with much less evidence to them than anything the government claims.

But I can spell. That should count for something.

you sir are owned, all the way down to your soul, you live, sleep and spit out propaganda, you have been branded from birth and dont even know it.

Thanks for assuming that you know shit about me.

And just who the fuck are you? Morpheus from the Matrix?

my words are not understood and i have surely lost my mind, how could you not be in control? you vote right, you live in a free country. you can do what you want when you want, not like in iran right.

economy is a little shaky right now, but other then that, life is good right?

Control is an illusion. And things can go to shit at any time no matter where you live on this planet. I never claimed that things are perfect here in the USA or that they would always stay just as good in the future.

good for you brother, like i said before, enjoy it while you can, and flash back to the first post i made and said that no matter what, you still would not believe anything other then what you had before we started.

now thats a conspiracy eh?

remember the 94% if nothing else from this conversation.

Awesome. Tell you what: when civilization fails for whatever reason and I'm out in a ditch somewhere, rending my garments and gnashing my teeth, I will be sure to cry out in a wailing voice, "Oh god...why did I not listen to yesme and his 94%? He was such a smart chap. Damn those $2.3 trillion transactions! Damn those classic propaganda ploys!"

And you and runningman will be out on a hill somewhere in druid robes, laughing maniacally and jacking yourselves over everyone's suffering. It will really be a special day. Please don't take pictures.

Bye now.

[chunky]

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^I think you should take notes from Chunky on how to respond to some of the information members here are posting...the added question marks and red, white & blue colored font is simply unnecessary...

Watch as these conspiracy theorists giggle nervously, and interrupt repeatedly taking place on the following videos between the "Loose Change" guys and Popular Mechanics Authors who wrote the book: Debunking 9/11 Myths: "Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts."

I seem to remember this Popular Mechanics Authors footage from along time ago. They seem to just try and reinforce the official story and just seem want you to believe there story because they are experts. What you have is nothing more that a couple barley adults inexperienced against the editor of Popular Mechanics Authors.

Popular Mechanics Authors couldn't even admit the buildings fell at free fall speed
they claim the Black Boxes where recovered, they claim its easy to find the public records. they claim the cell phones work at 35 thousand feet and higher. and thats just the first video.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Video 2

They state that the landing gear made a 16 feet hole, the engine is 9 feet so the landing gear made a perfect circular hole 16 feet wide. I have to say the landing gear looks a lot smaller then the 9 foot engine and is not circular, was it one of them shape shifter landing gears.

They then go on to state there is a photo of the landing gear that created the hole. Then hes states that the parts where shredded, so they made a hole larger than the original size and shape of the landing gear, then shredded into smaller pieces.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Maybe not. I guess I just didn't realize that being the "master of your own fate" required self-righteous belief in nutty ideas with much less evidence to them than anything the government claims.

no one is master of their own fate, only difference is i know that while you fight against it.

But I can spell. That should count for something.

your one up on me then brother

Thanks for assuming that you know shit about me.

dont be upset brother, we were all in the same boat, some people just woke up, thats all.

and btw, no need to assume anything, i used to live on 5th and market, and know for a fact your deep into propaganda, you have to be living in san fran.

do you even know what branding is sir?

And just who the fuck are you? Morpheus from the Matrix?

hardly.

this ain't a dream, and you wont wake up believeing whatever you want to believe no matter what pill you take.

Control is an illusion. And things can go to shit at any time no matter where you live on this planet. I never claimed that things are perfect here in the USA or that they would always stay just as good in the future.

ah, but if things go bad, it was just by chance right, not a plot at all. the housing collapse just "happened" right?

the great depression just happened yeah?

this stuff was not planned correct?

Awesome. Tell you what: when civilization fails for whatever reason and I'm out in a ditch somewhere, rending my garments and gnashing my teeth, I will be sure to cry out in a wailing voice, "Oh god...why did I not listen to yesme and his 94%? He was such a smart chap. Damn those $2.3 trillion transactions! Damn those classic propaganda ploys!"

not at all, just remember when shit does break down, no matter how much you want to, dont believe the gov. is going to take care of you(i.e. katrina).

again it's hard to understand how you have been directed if you assume no direction has taken place.

i'm sure you think consummerism just happened as well, like we went from buying only things we needed in the 1800's to buying craploads of stuff we never needed and throw out in 6 months, and it all came about naturally.

you think Psychology isthe understanding of the mind when really it is the control of the mind.

And you and runningman will be out on a hill somewhere in druid robes, laughing maniacally and jacking yourselves over everyone's suffering. It will really be a special day. Please don't take pictures.

more then likely, you see, i have no problem with the elite's thinking on thinning the herd, my only problem is who gets to pick.

the mass of americans are idiots, know nothing ass mofo's who act like they know it all, spending money on needless items or 50 times over priced items trying to impress someone.

never learning the history of the world or how they fit into it, assuming that because they are good at heart, so is everyone else.

assuming because they dont(only 5% of americans plan their day everyday)plan, that others dont make plans either.

assuming that man does not want to rule it all anymore(even though it goes against human nature and 1700 years of history)and the elite want to give up their money and power so we can live in a one world perfect planet.

do i think we could use a little do what i say not as i do christian people in the usa?

about 99% of them i could care less if they went, you see, it's everyones own personal job to make sureour rights are being taken care of, not to just vote and hope homie looks out for your best interest.

hell 99% dont know our money system or how money is created.

to imagine that people with billions of dollars allow the stupid masses to pick our leaders is the biggest leap of faith, but maybe, just maybe, if your lucky you wont have to live thru the hell that is comming.

i wish you the best of luck sir.

I seem to remember this Popular Mechanics Authors footage from along time ago. They seem to just try and reinforce the official story and just seem want you to believe there story because they are experts. What you have is nothing more that a couple barley adults inexperienced against the editor of Popular Mechanics Authors.

it amazes me how some can see the same video and get such a different understanding of events.

i only watch the news for one reason, and that is to see where the propaganda is pushing us. whats it getting us ready for?

i'm sure everyone has seen the debit card tv spot, where there is a party going on, everyone is paying using their card, and then homie walks up with cash and the party stops.......

LIFE TAKES VISA

no, life takes whatever form of payment i wish to make.

the propaganda of a cashless country is embedded even in our tv spots,cartoons,and tv shows.

we cant escape propaganda if we even tried, but at least we can understand that it is propaganda and what they are trying to do.

or you could go on, believeing everything will be as it always was and america will ride out the next 100 years being the same it always has.

the video rm posted was a good one in the point the man made about people not believeing it untill the army boot was kicking their backside.

most americans are like this, sad, but it is reality.

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

ok, last time....

dont be upset brother, we were all in the same boat, some people just woke up, thats all.

Good for you, so glad you "woke up". Now what do you do? Go around the internet making self-righteous assumptions about everyone you don't know whenever they don't agree with your highly unsubstantiated ideas? Congratulations. That must be very fulfilling.

and btw, no need to assume anything,

Yeah. Great.

"btw, no need to assume anything"...says the person who has assumed every last thing about me.

i used to live on 5th and market, and know for a fact your deep into propaganda, you have to be living in san fran.

I'm sure things are much better wherever you're living now.

do you even know what branding is sir?

Oh great, are you an expert on that, too?

And thanks for the lesson about the army boot in the backside. I only came from one of those military-led countries. It's not like I could know anything about any of that, living my happy-go-lucky TV ad-watching money-spending brand-buying government-loving perfect cocoon of a life over here.

Look, if you want to swap arguments about the events of 9-11, that's fine. You're obviously entitled to believe whatever you want to believe, and you sure don't need my approval. But if it's just going to be a bunch of Morpheus-meet-Confucius condescending personal judgments about me from here on out, then here's a penny so you can buy a fucking clue:


You don't know me, so stop pretending you do.


You don't know what I do, where I've been, or what I've been through. I don't live in Disney World, I don't ever assume that anyone is "taking care of me", and (I know this is shocking to you) I have the capacity to generate my own thoughts and opinions about life around me - really don't need your help.

And even if the dollar disappears and civilization ends, guess what? We still won't need your arrogant jackass personal editorials. So head for the hills and become a bitter, paranoid survivalist or whatever (btw, you should probably stop posting on the internet; you know the government can track everything on here), and enjoy your enlightened life. Just leave your judgments to yourself.

Somehow, I don't think that truly enlightened people have the need to make gross, condescending stereotypes about the rest of the world on internet forums whenever people don't agree with their opinions. So go ahead and post up a few more rounds of self-serving, ego-inflating verbal diarrhea if you want; your assumptions about how you have everyone "figured out" and how you are such a superior example of the human species only reflect the depth your own ignorance.

and I'm done, peace.

[chunky]

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it amazes me how some can see the same video and get such a different understanding of events.

I think you understood my post wrong. I meant they where inexperienced at being in the media so they came across nervous at times. I would be interested to see if the editor of Popular Mechanics Authors would still be willing to make the same statements now. Or with someone more seasoned in a media environment.

Some of the Popular Mechanics statements are just complete nonsense in that footage

[chunky]

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Just noticed this is now the most popular thread in the Politics forum. It should be made a megathread.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

What part of the steal beams integrity being weakened by 50% is hard to comprehend?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXxynEDpwrA[/YOUTUBE]

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Miros man, "the builder" tried to claim this earlier. He claimed the impact of the plane must of rattled off all the fire proofing, the problem is they couldn't recreate the scenario in the furnace no matter how hard they tried.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Just so I'm clear, can you refer to the video, not some random post (which I am not going to search for). Try to provide a source (location on the www) if possible...in this case, what part of the video (minute:second) are you referring to? Thanks

[chunky]

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Leslie Robertson post 276

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Miros man, "the builder" tried to claim this earlier. He claimed the impact of the plane must of rattled off all the fire proofing, the problem is they couldn't recreate the scenario in the furnace no matter how hard they tried.

source

Herbert Levine's Warning (inventor of the flame retardant material used on the WTC)

In the years afterward, the man who had invented the original wet-asbestos spray fireproofing process, the late Herbert Levine, often voiced a warning.
“If a fire breaks out above the 64th floor, that building will fall down,” he frequently said, according to his lawyer and other professionals who knew him.

On September 11, 2001, an intense fire did break out far above the 64th floor—and in each of the towers. The thermal insulation on the steel columns of the floors where the jumbo jets crashed afforded insufficient protection from the intense heat, and the columns softened and buckled.

The floors above, no longer supported, collapsed downward. Then, each successively lower floor, unable to support the hundreds of thousands of tons of material, cascaded lower and the entire building collapsed.

Richard Wilson, a physics professor at Harvard University and an expert on risk, says the late Herbert Levine was most probably correct.
“I believe that it is correct that asbestos sprayed on wet, by Herbert Levine's technique, gave 3 to 5 times lower ambient levels than asbestos sprayed on dry,” Wilson told the Nevada Policy Research Institute.

He added that, “No adverse health effect has ever been attributed” to the Levine process.
In layman’s words, there was no scientific justification for banning the flame-retardant wet-asbestos insulation on the steel girders of the World Trade Towers. If not for environmentalist hysteria and stampeded public officials,

the towers most likely would have lasted significantly longer. Thousands of occupants could have evacuated the site and they and hundreds off rescue people below could have survived.