you know what's astonishing?

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^That's enough unequivocal evidence for me on this on Chunky...

Not to mention you cannot possibly recreate a 30 year old building's fireproofing....

The fact is, it did chip off, or break off in a manner that aloud fire to be conducted within the steel.

Case closed on the "controlled demolition" nonsense.

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^ Good posts, floridaorange.

But it's hopeless.

The mainstream stuff is full of holes and anyone who supports that propaganda has been brainwashed...and yet stories about how passengers from one plane were secretly put in another, how certain planes were flown to secret locations, how Marxist factions in the military blew up buildings, and how missiles shot down planes, etc. are all quite credible and realistic. Without any evidence whatsoever.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Good for you, so glad you "woke up". Now what do you do? Go around the internet making self-righteous assumptions about everyone you don't know whenever they don't agree with your highly unsubstantiated ideas? Congratulations. That must be very fulfilling.

not really, as i stated before, you were never going to agree with whatever i said, unless it agreed with you're preconceived notion.

it's not really even you're fault, so be at peace young man.

Yeah. Great.

"btw, no need to assume anything"...says the person who has assumed every last thing about me.

did i assume you were smart? so i did not assume everything about you eh? what i did assume was your close mindedness, looking at your pic spinning from your music page profile and seeing your hat, i correctly assumed your are branded.

and is it really an assumption when 99% of americans are branded? not so much eh?

I'm sure things are much better wherever you're living now

do you mean do i live somewhere that housing prices are off the chart, just so i can say i'm cool and nothing more really? yeah, i dont live anywhere close to a place like that.

cali is the king of branded ignorant americans, you picked a great spot to move too.

Oh great, are you an expert on that, too?

?

i guess in order to talk about a subject you have to be an expert on it? but to make you feel better, lets just say i know nothing, but if i did know something, i would suggest you start with the book "no logo".

And thanks for the lesson about the army boot in the backside. I only came from one of those military-led countries. It's not like I could know anything about any of that, living my happy-go-lucky TV ad-watching money-spending brand-buying government-loving perfect cocoon of a life over here.

ah, so you moved here for a better life(meaning more money to buy more crap that i think makes my life better)

i was wondering why you did not move to mexico or something, but then it all comes down to money(better life) dont it?

Look, if you want to swap arguments about the events of 9-11, that's fine. You're obviously entitled to believe whatever you want to believe, and you sure don't need my approval.

yeah, um, if i ever feel the need to show evidence to someone who wont listen anyway, i'll be sure to pm you.

now here is the part when you say, but you provided no evidence.

and then i say, physics is all the evidence you need.

30% of the upper blocks mass could not of crushed the bottom 100% of undamged buildings, no matter how hard you want to believe it can.

path of least resistence, air or 80 floors of reinforced steel/concrete.

it's not rocket science here folks.

you can not, no matter how hard you try, you simply can not have the mass of the upper blocks in 2 different places at the same time.

now we all saw the debris shooting out the side of the building, the huge concrete dust clouds, SO THEREFORE the 70% of the mass could not IN ANY WAY be used as a force to help the building collapse.

But if it's just going to be a bunch of Morpheus-meet-Confucius condescending personal judgments about me from here on out, then here's a penny so you can buy a fucking clue:


You don't know me, so stop pretending you do.

great, here is the part you prove me wrong.

everyone is branded, including me, i love adidas myself.

now, lets say you dig nike shoes, you won't wear anything else.

how do you get these without keeping up the consumerism cycle and being a part of the problem of slave labor?

i mean, since i assume you would not know the anwser, please prove me wrong.

You don't know what I do, where I've been, or what I've been through. I don't live in Disney World, I don't ever assume that anyone is "taking care of me",

you dont ever assume? i hope you would know and not have to ssume.

do you grow all the food you need for the year?

oh, so someone takes care of you then correct?

this however is just one example, people rely to much on other people, and the sad part is they dont even know it.

before this min, you thought you did not need anyone, cause you can take care of yourself right?

man, throw out a couple words and you play right into my hand, yeah i dont think anyone could brainwash you bro, teach me that jedi mind stuff your using.

I have the capacity to generate my own thoughts and opinions about life around me - really don't need your help.

you sure can, and if you start with the wrong data to begin with, you will generate the wrong views that you were so proud of.

listen, bro, i happen to like you, and to shock you, i would even say your MORE intelligent then me.

but garbage in, garbage out you know what i'm saying.

propagnada has been pushed onto us from birth, i know it's hard to see, but in reality, your thoughts/views all stem from what you percieve to be real as taken from your input senses.

meaning everything you have ever come into contact with, could be used as propaganda. cartoons,radio,advertising,books,magazines,parents ,friends.

even ourself.

even made fun of someone in school that was not wearing the "in" clothes?

peer pressure is one of the biggest and best forms of propaganda used to conform people to group think.

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And even if the dollar disappears and civilization ends, guess what? We still won't need your arrogant jackass personal editorials. So head for the hills and become a bitter, paranoid survivalist or whatever (btw, you should probably stop posting on the internet; you know the government can track everything on here), and enjoy your enlightened life. Just leave your judgments to yourself.

not everyone will die when the dollar collapses, just a crapload of them. the idea is to not kill them all.

maintain humanity at 500,000,000(georgia guidestone)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

btw, the powers in charge already have me on a list i'm sure, no need to hide

I have no judgements sir, only facts as known to anyone wishing to research them. It hurts to know that we have been fooled our whole life in order to bring about this one world order.

meanwhile, they gave the brightest nation shiny new freedoms and entertainment to keep us busy why they set up the ground work for the take down.

Somehow, I don't think that truly enlightened people have the need to make gross, condescending stereotypes about the rest of the world on internet forums whenever people don't agree with their opinions.

it has NOTHING to do with you not agreeing on 9-11 brother. let me ask you something, please dont lie about it. what is the most valuable possion you have?

So go ahead and post up a few more rounds of self-serving, ego-inflating verbal diarrhea if you want; your assumptions about how you have everyone "figured out" and how you are such a superior example of the human species only reflect the depth your own ignorance.

please, i already stated i think you're more intelligent then me, and i mean that honestly. i have no degree, nor do i have the desire to get one.

and it's easy to have everyone figured out, when you have seen the teachers grading sheet before the test. they are not really assumptions, even today group think goes on everywhere. the workplace,home,bars,even this board,etc.

only when you realize what it is, can you then fight it.

even "survivalists" get caught up in the propaganda of the machine, trust me on this. alot of them consider that things just happen by accident as well. i know it's all giberish to you i'm sure.

check out the video "century of self", also research neuro-lingustic programming, and also check out some of the conversational hypnosis stuff like darren browns bmx video.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^That's enough unequivocal evidence for me on this on Chunky...

Not to mention you cannot possibly recreate a 30 year old building's fireproofing....

The fact is, it did chip off, or break off in a manner that aloud fire to be conducted within the steel.

Case closed on the "controlled demolition" nonsense.

Leslie Robertson claimed in order for the building to of fell the fire proofing would of had to of fallen off the the column's however he could not prove this, no one can. As I said before they could not weaken the steel in the furnaces fire proofing or not.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

yet stories about how passengers from one plane were secretly put in another

Your just taking what I said out of context, but that's not really surprising.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I only came from one of those military-led countries.

So which country did you come from then Miro ?

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

did i assume you were smart? so i did not assume everything about you eh? what i did assume was your close mindedness, looking at your pic spinning from your music page profile and seeing your hat, i correctly assumed your are branded.

Paraphrase: "You're closed-minded...but I'm the one who knows that you absolutely must be a slave to branding because you once wore a hat."

do you mean do i live somewhere that housing prices are off the chart, just so i can say i'm cool and nothing more really? yeah, i dont live anywhere close to a place like that.

Paraphrase: "I don't know a single thing about what led you to SF, what your financial status is, or how much you pay to live...but I know that you're only there so you can say you're cool and nothing more really."

ah, so you moved here for a better life(meaning more money to buy more crap that i think makes my life better)

i was wondering why you did not move to mexico or something, but then it all comes down to money(better life) dont it?

Paraphrase: "I don't know where you moved from, when you moved, why you moved, or if you even had a choice about where you ended up. I also don't know your values, your level of materiality, or your lifestyle...but I know that you decided to come to the USA just so that you could get more money to buy more crap."

I have no judgements sir, only facts

Of course. You just saw right through me with all of those "facts" up there, didn't you.

I think it's safe to conclude at this point that you're a hopeless moron. And that's not a judgment, sir; it's a fact supported by a lot of evidence. Now shoo...go waste someone else's time; I have a classic propaganda ploy of a life that I need to get back to, if you don't mind. Goodbye.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Paraphrase: "You're closed-minded...but I'm the one who knows that you absolutely must be a slave to branding because you once wore a hat."

IN REALITY: 99.9% of people in the world are branded, simply because humans are social creatures, so we adapt to fit in to our chosen group.

FACT

Paraphrase: "I don't know a single thing about what led you to SF, what your financial status is, or how much you pay to live...but I know that you're only there so you can say you're cool and nothing more really."

IN REALITY: i dont need to know what led you to san fran, only that your a 31 year old grown man, and there is not a job in cali you could not find somewhere else, of course, it might not be as cool in iowa though right?

does it matter how much you pay to live there? cause even with rent control(yes i know about it) your still paying way to much for the priviledge of living in cali.

i paid 960 bucks a month for a hotel room there in 2000. you can get a 5 bedroom house in most of america for that price then.

Paraphrase: "I don't know where you moved from, when you moved, why you moved, or if you even had a choice about where you ended up.

IN REALITY: you moved to cali for a better life, what exactly is a better life from where you came from bro?

the freedom to do what you want is not limited to cali only, so it had to be the money, cause bums dont do too well in san fran.

choice about where you ended up? your 31, you have been an adult for 13 years and totally able to move anywhere in the us you wanted.

I also don't know your values, your level of materiality, or your lifestyle

listen bro, i know you think it's hard to make judgements without knowing you, but it's really not.

do you have friends and/or a girlfriend? then chances are 99.9% of the time you are branded, i find it highly unlikely that a girl growing up in america, is really going to dig being seen with you at a nice resturant, not wearing the socially accepted clothes and such.

gotta have a nice ride to get a girl, aint that how it goes?

but I know that you decided to come to the USA just so that you could get more money to buy more crap."

for you to have a better life you would of wanted freedom(praticed in all 50 states) and money(cali is known to make dreams come true eh?)

i can assure you you came for freedom and a better life, since your not living in iowa, i would say money is more important then just freedom to you.

i mean lets face it, if you could not provide for your family here, it would not matter how "free" you are correct?

Of course. You just saw right through me with all of those "facts" up there, didn't you.

yeah, your such a rebel, you are totally in the .1% of people that dont follow human nature

Belonging and feeling connected is a human need.

a god among men really.

human nature is a fact brother, sorry that you think you have somehow rised above us all.

I think it's safe to conclude at this point that you're a hopeless moron. And that's not a judgment, sir; it's a fact supported by a lot of evidence. Now shoo...go waste someone else's time; I have a classic propaganda ploy of a life that I need to get back to, if you don't mind. Goodbye.

sure you dont want to anwser those questions i tossed to you, i mean to prove i'm wrong and everything.

great, here is the part you prove me wrong.

everyone is branded, including me, i love adidas myself.

now, lets say you dig nike shoes, you won't wear anything else.

how do you get these without keeping up the consumerism cycle and being a part of the problem of slave labor?

let me ask you something, please dont lie about it. what is the most valuable possion you have?

anwser these correctly and i will admit, that you sir, have beat human nature and i was a moron for ever doubting you.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Leslie Robertson claimed in order for the building to of fell the fire proofing would of had to of fallen off the the column's however he could not prove this, no one can. As I said before they could not weaken the steel in the furnaces fire proofing or not.

not only could they not weaken the steel in the time and heat it was exposed to, but also the cardington fire tests rule out fireproofing as a factor, the cardington tests show that some warping is helpful to the building not failing during a fire.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Yesme, lets try to stay on topic.

You are more than welcome to start a new thread about "branding," and why people move to California.

Cheers.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Yesme, lets try to stay on topic.

You are more than welcome to start a new thread about "branding," and why people move to California.

Cheers.

sure thing bro.

start with this then.

30% of the upper blocks mass could not of crushed the bottom 100% of undamged buildings, no matter how hard you want to believe it can.

path of least resistence, air or 80 floors of reinforced steel/concrete.

it's not rocket science here folks.

you can not, no matter how hard you try, you simply can not have the mass of the upper blocks in 2 different places at the same time.

now we all saw the debris shooting out the side of the building, the huge concrete dust clouds, SO THEREFORE the 70% of the mass could not IN ANY WAY be used as a force to help the building collapse.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Care to substantiate all of that information, they are only claims without also providing a scholarly source.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Care to substantiate all of that information, they are only claims without also providing a scholarly source.

Reply to Protec's
A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT

Blanchard:
One primary difference between these two collapses and a typical building implosion was that the initial failures occurred very high up on the structures, which lead to an extended-duration “pancake” effect down to the ground. With the weight and mass of the upper sections forcing the floor trusses below rapidly downward, there was no way for outer perimeter walls to fall in, so they had to fall out. A review of all photographic images clearly show about 95% of falling debris being forced away from the footprint of the structure, creating a giant “mushroom” effect around its perimeter.


Reply:

Here, Blanchard admits that the Towers mushroomed, with 95% of the debris falling outside the footprints. But that being the case invalidates the official account -- at least NIST's version of it -- in which the "tremendous energy of the falling building section" is supposed to have crushed the buildings from the crash zones down.

With the vast majority of rubble falling outside of the Tower, where is this alleged 'pile-driver'? The visual records show no evidence of the "falling building section" after the first three seconds of each event, only exploding clouds of dust and metal fragments.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/blanchard/index.html#point2

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Senator Graham’s representative: “He believes what was written in the 9/11 Commission and nothing more.”
Jeremy Rothe-Kushel: “And so he thinks the science is wrong, the science that we handed to him? He’s had scientific advisors tell him that the science is wrong?”
SGR: I’m not saying the science is wrong. I’m just saying that he believes that the planes that flew into the World Trade Centers were the only things that brought them down.”
JRK: “And how does he think that this high-tech explosive made its way into the dust of the World Trade Center? Does he have an explanation for that?”
SGR: “No he does not.”
JRK: “So basically he’s operating in denial of science as it stands today, the leading edge of scientific proof about how our fellow citizens were killed on that day?”
SGR: “If you want to put it that way.”
JRK: “And did he look at the–because we also included a packet from the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, it was 850 of them now that point out the very obvious evidence that those buildings did not just collapse from the fires. Did he look at that too?”
SGR: “Yes.”
JRK: “And so he thinks all those 800 architects and engineers are wrong?”
SGR: “Uh, he doesn’t think they’re wrong, he just thinks–I mean he’s not going to change his opinion. His opinion thus far is agreeing with the 9/11 Commission. Until something else comes out that changes that, that’s what he believes.”

interesting what old sen. added to the new bill........

Now, Senator Graham is adding an amendment to the appropriations bill that reads in part: “None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available for the Department of Justice by this Act may be obligated or expended to commence or continue the prosecution in (a civilian) court of the United States of an individual suspected of planning, authorizing, organizing, committing or aiding the attacks on the United States and its citizens that occurred on September 11, 2001.”