you know what's astonishing?

[chunky]

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Don't think anyone has specifically gone into trilateral commission, mj12, or builderberg. I think there are a lot of people who question the actions and the reactions of the US & UK Government following 9/11. Now you’re a very intelligent person you must have some questions about 9/11. I will be shocked if you buy into this whole official story

[i!!ustrious]

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truly, my friend. the offical story is a build up facade to keep the masses from panic, no doubt about it. but in utterly humility, i dare not speculate on the actual reason for such an atrocity. however, it must have some importance as a critical turn of the century eye opener. i don't know, but thus i've heard. who really knows?

[chunky]

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"your perception is weak old man."

indeed it's utterly horriffic, what transpired that day, but as a critical event in our world cycle -- no matter what the intent -- it still hold a somewhat considerable ramification(for the time being) and a chance to recognize a problem/

Maybe I’m wrong but I think that really depends on how we educate our children which will really determine the outcome

[i!!ustrious]

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great point forsures

[floridaorange]

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I think a lot of people outside the US are missing out on a few reality points. The first is the George Bush and the majority of his administration really did have SHIT for brains. George Bush really did make America a target for terror in the sense that he was usually on vacation instead of facing the realities of his presidential duties. George Bush Sr. wasn't retarded, but his son most definitely is/was.

Bringing down the world trade center had been in the works since the first bombing attempt, it was literally a matter of time. America was attacked, during which time our president who's daddy went to war with Iraq decided it was time to finish what his daddy started.

[chunky]

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I think a lot of people outside the US are missing out on a few reality points. The first is the George Bush and the majority of his administration really did have SHIT for brains. George Bush really did make America a target for terror in the sense that he was usually on vacation instead of facing the realities of his presidential duties. George Bush Sr. wasn't retarded, but his son most definitely is/was.

Bringing down the world trade center had been in the works since the first bombing attempt, it was literally a matter of time. America was attacked, during which time our president who's daddy went to war with Iraq decided it was time to finish what his daddy started.

Much as I would like to agree with you but someone who manages to rise to the highest point in Government has to have had more than shit for brains, but its far more than bad management organising this. People will extrapolate this for years to come and there are to many things that just don't add up and the more you dig the worse it gets. I think America short changed a lot of people when it came to this.

[chunky]

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thanks to teh internets a handful of people think they actually have a real life revolution going on. that is all.

As far ass Revolution go's I think the internet has done very little to mobilize people. people have become content with their lives and don't really want to question anything and certainty don't want to challenge it. My faith in internet revolution is none existent even though I know people can make a change I have no faith in people.

There's to many people standing on the sideline

[floridaorange]

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someone who manages to rise to the highest point in Government has to have had more than shit for brains

He actually really was an idiot Chunky. And the attacks had been in the works since the initial bombing of the world trade center, this was not something that was thrown together over night. It all came together at once with precision like execution, and quiet frankly, the mission was absolutely accomplished. It was awful, shocking, devastating and possibly avoidable, but it wasn't staged and it wasn't devised by some secret organization within America.

[trick12]

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i dont think George Bush was an idiot, i think he's very smart and he made a fool outta everyone else acting that he's an idiot and in shade of this he carried out everything him and his dad wanted, just by acting a fool. i personally see what big difference America went thru pre and post 9/11, and its sad, just see how many lies came and lives lost just under the slogan "War on Terror" and weigh out the benefits, some people made huge deals post this financially and politically. most americans take what theyre told and shown, unless for a few ones that actually do the effort of thinking and questioning with an open mind, and those def see some huge "?" to what has been happening. Ignorance is painful.

[runningman]

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I don't believe that GB is stupid either. I think he played the part of an idiot to a tee. He wanted to take down the US just like his grandfather Prescott Bush who supported the Nazi's. I mean what did you think was going to happen when you vote in a National Socialist to power?

Anybody see those UFO's over NYC the other day? WTF was that?

[floridaorange]

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i dont think George Bush was an idiot, i think he's very smart and he made a fool outta everyone else acting that he's an idiot and in shade of this he carried out everything him and his dad wanted, just by acting a fool. i personally see what big difference America went thru pre and post 9/11, and its sad, just see how many lies came and lives lost just under the slogan "War on Terror" and weigh out the benefits, some people made huge deals post this financially and politically. most americans take what theyre told and shown, unless for a few ones that actually do the effort of thinking and questioning with an open mind, and those def see some huge "?" to what has been happening. Ignorance is painful.

Nah, Bush was an idiot, respectfully speaking, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about

I know more higher up elected officials than I care to discuss here. George Bush's SAT score was a 1206, that was about what I got on my SAT score, but you don't see me running for President. My uncle was a senator, and my mom's cousin is a congressman. I've been in washington, I've met these people and have spent time with them throughout my life. Bush came from a middle class family in Conn. that moved to Texas when he was 2 years old.

George Bush was CONNECTED, but not smart my friend. I have cousins who went to Harvard and aced their SAT scores, I have cousins who got straight A's , aced their SAT scores and still didn't get into Harvard, even though both their parents did.

Bush Sr. was smart, Bush's brother was a smart politician, but George Bush was a fucking idiot, end of discussion. (and a coke addict - FACT)

http://www.bushchildhoodhome.com/family_history

[trick12]

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oh well, he's a fucking idiot i agree, but a smart fucking idiot or smart at acting an idiot...

and wont fooling all these millions of people make him smart?

[floridaorange]

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Well his election wasn't exactly legitimate to start with, it was a mistake. George Bush was basically the candidate that half of VOTERS not Americans but "Voters" felt they had the most in common with. Because unfortunately that's what got votes... "Bush" was the candidate American's could see themselves having a beer with.

Then we got attacked and some of us woke up and decided it's probably best we don't vote for the candidate we would want to have a beer with rather a candidate who is smart and can actually do something in office.

Talk about a scandal... THIS IS A SCANDAL:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

[i!!ustrious]

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conspiracy theories aside, it is well known that bush and pappa bush are masons* etc.; this has nothing to do with america, as a country, being responsible for the wtc attacks. extreme religious idealism and islamofascism are both a great world problem, and have become a prime asset to divert the force and containment of our political and military agendas.

in my honest opinion, i think the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by a genuine "ghost in the darkness" conglomerate - consisting of many complex and black lodge groups. i would imagine the resources needed to conduct such an infiltration were of a considerably cunning nature.

it's duly obvious that the hoarding of the world's fiscal energy is already facing such exacting ramifications.

* (masonry has served it's purpose valiantly through the ages, but needs to adopt a future synthesis to become an integral ceremonial order to serve mankind harmlessly)

[chunky]

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Bizarrely going back to the original purpose of this thread The Zeitgeist movie had a quote towards the end.

The old appeals to racial sexual religious chauvinism, to rabid nationalist forbear are beginning not to work, a new consciousness sees the earth as a single organism and an organism at war with itself is doomed.

And this is the point I have no faith in. I think nothing has changed.