you know what's astonishing?

[vinnie97]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

oh, and cia, antique cctv and PSYOPS.

[bobjuice]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

yeah psyops cia blah blah

I'm not 100% convinced it was an inside job but for as long as things get silenced and covered up or covered in bullshit i have no choice but to put myself firmly in the doubters camp and i'm staying there until something solid tells me different.

Florida, you are well and truly convinced your Government wouldn't play a part in such a thing, but how? How do you trust people who have been proven time and again to be fucking liars on a massive scale? Is it patriotism? Is that what you call it?
Because it's bullshit.

I feel the same way about the govt here in the Uk - just fucking liars. Why on earth should i put any faith or trust in them? They're something akin to aliens in my eyes, barely even human.

I'm still waiting to the answer to the question i asked before "how do you know who flew the planes into the buildings?" - the only answer that came back is that it must have been these Saudi guys as there is a record of them buying tickets. Now if that isn't someone who is easily had over talking then i don't know what is.

epic thread btw

[Shpira]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

http://www.zimbio.com/David+de+Roths...s+Bank+England

who ever wrote that was trippin balls at the time.

[vinnie97]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

lol, possibly.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Slam-dunk, now where have I heard that before?



"Elected officials", lol, please stop, lol.

Does the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods or USS Liberty ring a bell?



"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." --
H.L. Mencken

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I hear you DIDI, but I think it's a fair call in this situation and topic.



We'll never have all the information we want and when we want it. But what we do have is history and it has proven time and time again, that the US government lies to it's citizens all the time.

We're going to find out alot more about Assange as time goes on and most of it won't be nice.

Watch as the very same MSM who have hailed Assange as some kind of messia, slowly but surely crucify him once his usefulness expires.

Well that was always going to happen, it seems to be the nature of the human beast.

All governments lie But sometimes a nugget of truth gets out there and the reason I support Julian Assange is that he has operated as a conduit for some of those nuggets. I don't particularly like the way he has done some of it, but I have a much greater knowledge base because he has done it. I'm not sure of his motives , and I'm sure there are not so nice things about him. But everyone has different sides, some good , some bad and if we judge on one only we are cutting ourselves off from more knowledge. Even within one discussion there are points of agreement and disagreement. They don't invalidate each other.

Ultimately he as a person is immaterial. It's that we get to see how our governments operate. Hopefully they will stop putting petty gossip on paper after this

One thing, no one seems to have denied the validity of what he has put out there .

BTW It was wonderful to have my thoughts on KRudd confirmed

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

You have a weird sense of humour sometimes.

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." --
H.L. Mencken

This speaks so much truth to me !! Of course you could put Australian people and it would be just as true Incredibly frustrating.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Weird is good.

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^ Sometimes true

[dig72]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

[QUOTE=DIDI]All governments lie But sometimes a nugget of truth gets out there and the reason I support Julian Assange is that he has operated as a conduit for some of those nuggets.[\QUOTE]

Agreed, the truth is usually out there, in bits n pieces and all over the place.

[QUOTE]I don't particularly like the way he has done some of it, but I have a much greater knowledge base because he has done it. I'm not sure of his motives , and I'm sure there are not so nice things about him. But everyone has different sides, some good , some bad and if we judge on one only we are cutting ourselves off from more knowledge. Even within one discussion there are points of agreement and disagreement. They don't invalidate each other.[\QUOTE]

That's the game being played and LA/Wikileaks can't lose, well not in the short term anyway.
Alex Jones is also a team player in this very same game and he too has been exposed.

Don't get me wrong, 'power to the people', I'm all for that. But what I don't like and won't tolerate, is being insulted by the Assange/Jones type scumbags who believe they have us all fooled.

BTW It was wonderful to have my thoughts on KRudd confirmed

Gillard and the company she keeps are going to do alot of damage to Australia. I don't like anything about her. When I see her in the media, I get the same sick feeling in my stomach that I would whenever Howards head popped up.

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Well. I think you are dead wrong about Gillard. If she can overcome the enormous negativity thrown her way by almost everyone I believe Australia will be a far better place. And she is a very strong lady. She has definitely made compromises and done things I don't like , but no one is ever going to do everything I like In the end I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Just keep an open mind, as will I ! Anyway the alternative is even worse than Howard

Btw The company she keeps isn't as influential now because she has opened up the cabinet. It's not just four people any more.

I'll tell you what is getting up my nose , KRudd is actually getting credit for supporting Assange when all he is really doing is what he did during the election campaign , it's called revenge i think Tthe one thing Mark Latham got right was KRudd oh, and the elite public schools list

[dig72]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Well. I think you are dead wrong about Gillard. If she can overcome the enormous negativity thrown her way by almost everyone I believe Australia will be a far better place. And she is a very strong lady.

No chance, she's just another shameless shill and her past and most recent actions speak for themselves.

I really do hope I'm wrong, for the sake of all Aussies and all the decent human beings out there.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^How many politicians do you know personally? You good friends with many? Or just enemies?

What have you done to help your community, besides bitch and point fingers?

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^ Thought you were only here for the giggles

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

No chance, she's just another shameless shill and her past and most recent actions speak for themselves.

I really do hope I'm wrong, for the sake of all Aussies and all the decent human beings out there.

As you say time will tell .