you know what's astonishing?

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I was thinking about the 80 witnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon. What would interest me would be to re interview these witnesses while showing them the footage of the Pentagon and ask their opinions on how the face wall was still standing after the collision which fell later that day while being filmed by TV news channels.

There is some video footage recently of someone who claimed they saw the Pentagon plane. When he returned to where he claimed he was his story didn't add up. I will have a look for the footage tonight

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4770996865659781278

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

y was it pulled? cause it was insured?


see the angle of the steel where it's cut slanted? that only happens with demolition. don't say its photoshoped..take it to any expert. ill put money on it.

Please provide evidence that this only happens in the case of a demolition and I'll consider it.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I've never seen this footage before from a Pentagon employee who was working 45 feet from the impact area. There are no plane parts in any of the internal photos, strange

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5979240758347032057&q=source%3A012979256489010802933&hl=en

[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I've never seen this footage before from a Pentagon employee who was working 45 feet from the impact area. There are no plane parts in any of the internal photos, strange

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10802933&hl=en

funny, because there are quite a few plane parts documented here along with eyewitness commentary:
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm



I'm still waiting for your expert evidence about the molten steel coming from the building while it was standing, by the way. I will get around to looking at it, along with the videos of the witnesses you posted.

[runningman]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^ Ya it was just missing the engines. Also where are all the black boxes?

Miro how would thermite or thermate end up in the wreckage anyways?? What's your theory on that? I mean why do we have to prove without a single doubt that we need a new investigation. I believe any of the arguments would be just cause for a new one.

I mean whether it came from the bottom of the pile or from down the street, as far as I know nobody can get their hands on thermite unless you are in controlled demo or university.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

funny, because there are quite a few plane parts documented here along with eyewitness commentary:
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm



I'm still waiting for your expert evidence about the molten steel coming from the building while it was standing, by the way. I will get around to looking at it, along with the videos of the witnesses you posted.

Most of the links on that site don't work. The only piece of wreckage I could see that looked like it came from a plane was the wheel and there is only one of them. These could of been brought in and planted. I also see a hole but no area where the wings would of made impact. If I remember correct this area was under reconstruction at the time.

If you look at the area where the 2 planes hit the twin towers the entry point has clearly shows the area where the wings went into the building, not just a round hole. At the Pentagon all I see is a round hole. Did the wings fold up into the undercarriage?

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?



Most of the heaped scrap is unrecognizable, but there are two pieces of metal bearing yellow-green primer which were not burned thoroughly. Charles Burkhammer similarly noted small lime-green pieces of aircraft interior.

This isn't very convincing either. You could probably ID these parts as Silo or Fork Truck parts if you wanted. Its a just like the plane footage they released, They should have better pictures and video evidence but we are not seeing it.
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[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I'm still waiting for your expert evidence about the molten steel coming from the building while it was standing, by the way. I will get around to looking at it, along with the videos of the witnesses you posted.

I didn't say I had expert evidence. The official story is that its molten aluminum and not molten steel. Your real dispute seems to be what or who you class as an expert. Don't you find it strange that NIST couldn't recreate their own scenario.

I was looking at this debunking video which features molten aluminum or molten steel falling from the building before it collapses. When they use words like "This is probably due to" & "Its likely that" don't seem very certain to me.


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[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Guess all of the various articles from all of the various sources regarding the various victims who died on board once the plane hit the pentagon...guess all those articles were made up too, yes?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0912_disasterngs.html

http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2001/09/19/03dc.h21.html&destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2001/09/19/03dc.h21.html&levelId=2100

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44325

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-09-07-911-Pentagon-Memorial_N.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/09/10/pentagon.survivor/index.html

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Guess all of the various articles from all of the various sources regarding the various victims who died on board once the plane hit the pentagon...guess all those articles were made up too, yes?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0912_disasterngs.html

http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2001/09/19/03dc.h21.html&destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2001/09/19/03dc.h21.html&levelId=2100

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44325

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-09-07-911-Pentagon-Memorial_N.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/09/10...vor/index.html

No but I'm willing to guess they all sourced their information from the same source, the US Government. I'm not saying them people weren't killed, I'm just questioning that it mite not of been at the Pentagon due to what I think is a serious lack of physical evidence. What you should really be doing is telling your government to shut these people up by showing them clear footage of the the Pentagon Plane & The Wreckage. If they have it they could stop these suspicions immediately but they haven't. What we are left with is some poor debunking theories.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

A while ago I saw a documentary on TV on some kind of paint that they use to protect buildings like the pentagon (it was stated in that same doc that it's used on the Pentagon as well). They showed footage of tests, where they let a bomb go off in front of a garage wall - one treated with the paint, the other not - and it was awesome to see the treated wall bend and bulge, but not break (while the untreated wall was blown to pieces)! They dropped painted bricks of 25 kilos off the 3rd floor of a building and they bounced back up.

If that stuff is really used in the Pentagon, I completely understand the lack of damage.

^^ important to keep in mind

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Spend some time debunking this perhaps?

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Spend some time debunking this perhaps?

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoud.../witnesses.htm

There isn't much point. That website looks like it was put together by a 1st year web designer who took a lot of time off. Its says at the beginning of Star Wars along time ago in a galaxy far far away are you going to tell me Star Wars is real to. Lets be honest you could add chewbacca, R2D2 & Yoda to that website it wouldnt make any difference. Just because someone puts nothing more than a spreadsheet on the Internet, it doesnt make the information credible.

Like I posted before what would be more interesting is to get some of the Pentagon witness on film, show them the news footage of the Pentagon before and after the face wall collapsed and ask them to explain how it corresponds with their eye witness accounts.

Faceless websites are pointless for any credibility. Official unbiased investigation, bit more credible.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^ important to keep in mind

It is if you believe everything someone tells you on the Internet.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

They dropped painted bricks of 25 kilos off the 3rd floor of a building and they bounced back up.

If that stuff is really used in the Pentagon, I completely understand the lack of damage.

They should of done a similar experiment where they painted two cars with the paint then rammed them into each other to see who takes the impact. Something always does. Or even just painted the floor the bricks where dropped on to.