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  • yesme
    Gold Gabber
    • Dec 2006
    • 941

    Re: you know what's astonishing?

    Here is a couple good reads for those who dont know what we are talking about, and maybe help to show reso why he always watches the same news shows.

    The Misconception: Your opinions are the result of years of rational, objective analysis. The Truth: Your opinions are the result of years of paying attention to information which confirmed what yo…



    another good read.....


    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=128490874

    CONAN: Well, Brendan Nyhan is a health policy researcher at the University of Michigan. He recently published "When Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political Misperceptions." That was in the June issue of the Journal of Political Behavior, and he joins us now from the studios of WUOM, Michigan Radio, our member station in Ann Arbor. Nice to have you with us today.

    Mr. BRENDAN NYHAN (Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in Health Policy Research, University of Michigan): Thanks for having me.

    CONAN: And when facts are readily available, why are they not enough to change people's minds?

    Mr. NYHAN: Well, the problem is, you know, as human beings, we want to believe, you know, the things that we already believe. And so when you hear some information that contradicts your pre-existing views, unfortunately, what we tend to do is think of why we believed those things in the first place.

    And, you know, so when, you know, we get these corrections, we tend to say I'm right, and I'm going to stick with my view. And the thing that my research, which is with Jason Reifler at Georgia State University, found is that in some cases, that corrective information can actually make the problem worse.

    So some people who read Dana's article about immigration may actually have come away from it more strongly committed to the belief that crime has gone up along the border.

    CONAN: And indeed are probably demanding his birth certificate.

    (Soundbite of laughter)

    Mr. NYHAN: That's right.

    CONAN: This is a phenomenon described as backfire. You say it's a natural defense mechanism to avoid cognitive dissonance.

    Mr. NYHAN: That's right. You know, it's hard, it's threatening to us to admit that things we believe are wrong. And all of us, liberals and conservatives, you know, have some beliefs that aren't true, and when we find that out, you know, it's threatening to our beliefs and ourselves.

    And so what we think happens is that the way people, you know, try to resolve this in some cases is to, you know, buttress that belief that they initially held, and, you know, there's a long line of research showing results like this.

    CONAN: And again, we'd like to think of our brain as something that's been trained in, you know, Cartesian logic, when in fact, our brain is sort of hard-wired to leap to conclusions very quickly.

    Mr. NYHAN: That's right

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    • Jenks
      I'm kind of a big deal.
      • Jun 2004
      • 10250

      Re: you know what's astonishing?

      42 pages...

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      • floridaorange
        I'm merely a humble butler
        • Dec 2005
        • 29116

        Re: you know what's astonishing?

        I love how certain outspoken members here try in earnest to completely delegitimized 9/11 and essentially suggest it was America's doings, and not Al Queda's.

        If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

        I feel better now.


        It was fun while it lasted...

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        • dig72
          Gold Gabber
          • Nov 2004
          • 882

          Re: you know what's astonishing?

          Originally posted by floridaorange
          If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.
          Do you actually believe everything the government has told you, in regards to 9/11?
          “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
          Marcus Tullius Cicero

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          • floridaorange
            I'm merely a humble butler
            • Dec 2005
            • 29116

            Re: you know what's astonishing?

            ^Everything? No

            *The overarching theme? Yes.




            part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-B6c6xxXug

            part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kVg9iaDdE0

            part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-3ZOEXxdYg

            part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWq_7dnshA

            It was fun while it lasted...

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            • dig72
              Gold Gabber
              • Nov 2004
              • 882

              Re: you know what's astonishing?

              Originally posted by floridaorange
              ^Everything? No

              *The overarching theme? Yes.
              I'd really like to know what you don't believe and why?

              I've have had a real hard time believing just about everything and my reasons are many.
              “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
              Marcus Tullius Cicero

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              • yesme
                Gold Gabber
                • Dec 2006
                • 941

                Re: you know what's astonishing?

                Originally posted by floridaorange
                I love how certain outspoken members here try in earnest to completely delegitimized 9/11 and essentially suggest it was America's doings, and not Al Queda's.

                If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

                I feel better now.



                what beliefs did you throw away after you saw they were not your own fact based beliefs?

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                • floridaorange
                  I'm merely a humble butler
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 29116

                  Re: you know what's astonishing?

                  Originally posted by yesme
                  what beliefs did you throw away after you saw they were not your own fact based beliefs?
                  Don't flatter yourself so much yesme. You haven't caused me to throw out any information as of yet my friend.

                  It was fun while it lasted...

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                  • chunky
                    Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 10552

                    Re: you know what's astonishing?

                    Originally posted by floridaorange
                    I love how certain outspoken members here try in earnest to completely delegitimized 9/11 and essentially suggest it was America's doings, and not Al Queda's.

                    If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

                    I feel better now.
                    You have actually done the same thing you accused runiningman of. Your post added nothing to the augment and calling people fools mite make you feel better but it but it doesn't really change anything. Let me remind you that it was you who posted a link to a story about Larry Silverstein arranging a controlled demolition on 9/11.

                    Originally posted by floridaorange
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                    tr.v. in·sti·gat·ed, in·sti·gat·ing, in·sti·gates
                    1. To urge on; goad.
                    2. To stir up; foment.
                    Originally posted by res0nat0r
                    OK Lets All Stroke Ron Pauls Cock On 3!

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                    • chunky
                      Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 10552

                      Re: you know what's astonishing?

                      That Michael Tuphey in the first video is a real piece of work. I hope there is something better in this video than the rhetorical bullshit at the beginning

                      edit check out 4.18
                      Originally posted by res0nat0r
                      OK Lets All Stroke Ron Pauls Cock On 3!

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                      • chunky
                        Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 10552

                        Re: you know what's astonishing?

                        Get this 4 minutes 47 "all the others are so called muscle hijackers"
                        Originally posted by res0nat0r
                        OK Lets All Stroke Ron Pauls Cock On 3!

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                        • chunky
                          Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 10552

                          Re: you know what's astonishing?

                          5.52

                          Two of the men have difficulty understanding the security questions. Helpful counter agents repeat them until they give the correct answers
                          Any one see a problem here
                          Originally posted by res0nat0r
                          OK Lets All Stroke Ron Pauls Cock On 3!

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                          • trick12
                            Are you Kidding me??
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 4412

                            Re: you know what's astonishing?

                            Originally posted by floridaorange

                            If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

                            I feel better now.
                            Who is America to you?

                            America could be many different things
                            Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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                            • res0nat0r
                              Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                              • May 2006
                              • 14475

                              Re: you know what's astonishing?

                              hes talking about the government, i think we've established that part already.

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                              • trick12
                                Are you Kidding me??
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 4412

                                Re: you know what's astonishing?

                                and wasnt that the same government that sent its troops to a trick war, and how many americans died there?!! everything is possible nowadays mate, trust no one
                                Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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