Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

[hambino21]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

Believe what you want, but noone is hanging their heads. As much as you wish that was the fact. My government does what it does, but im not shamed whatsoever. Live in your pacifistic world all you want, but your view is not always the majority. You sit at your computer and make statements ,but thats as far as it goes. You really don't make a difference, so untill that happens just realize you're "views" don't accomplish anything. Im not one to argue about most things but your insults to the states are constant. Your country is in there with us. Life being about butterflies and rainbows would be awesome, but this planet isn't ever going to be about that. Mankind is more corrupted and evil than good, thats completely apparent. I hate that fact but its true. The idealistic way of thinking is worthless in this day and age. Survival is crucial, and if that means a country must use strategy as a basis for decisions than so be it. The corrupt individuals wiil answer one day for their wrong doings(in my opinion). They will hopefully pay. Until then, most of us are just players in the field. Yes we are responsible for what we do, but just remember that the next time a group of people you are trying to help, explodes and kills your friends and innocent bystanders. The U.S didn't make them do that.

[dig72]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

Believe what you want, but noone is hanging their heads. As much as you wish that was the fact. My government does what it does, but im not shamed whatsoever.

I have expressed my opinion on the matter and stand by everything that I have stated. If you can point to anything that I have stated to be incorrect or way off mark then please do so.

Fact is the "war" was lost before it even began. Fact is, you have been shamed and will leave defeated and disgraced. You don't have a choice in the matter.

Live in your pacifistic world all you want, but your view is not always the majority

The majority of the worlds population will always be against wars. If you believe otherwise than I really do feel sorry for you.

The US, like Australia have yet to experience the horrors of real war on our lands. And until we do then it'll be business as usual. Bomb, bomb away.

You sit at your computer and make statements ,but thats as far as it goes. You really don't make a difference, so untill that happens just realize you're "views" don't accomplish anything.

Wow, simply wow.

Im not one to argue about most things but your insults to the states are constant.

"Fark the States " There, I said it. If you really find that offensive then so be it.

What normal people find insulting and offensive is the lack of sympathy, remorse, regret over the deliberate murder of men, woman and children of nations that posed no threat to us.

State sponsored acts of terrorism, inflicted on a defenceless peoples by our governments is disgraceful and cowardly.

Nothing at all heroic about it.

Your country is in there with us

And fark them too, for al the lies and murder that have been committed in our name.

Mankind is more corrupted and evil than good, thats completely apparent. I hate that fact but its true. The idealistic way of thinking is worthless in this day and age. Survival is crucial, and if that means a country must use strategy as a basis for decisions than so be it. The corrupt individuals wiil answer one day for their wrong doings(in my opinion). They will hopefully pay. Until then, most of us are just players in the field.

Agreed and once again, your anger and frustration is being directed at the wrong people.

Blame your leaders. They are shameless criminals who are responsible for every single thing that you are complaining about.

If you want to go on defending the criminals in charge, then go right ahead. But do not expect readers to just sit by and be insulted by the rubbish being spewed.

Yes we are responsible for what we do, but just remember that the next time a group of people you are trying to help, explodes and kills your friends and innocent bystanders. The U.S didn't make them do that

Pure genious.

I mean, how can one even respond to that?

[hambino21]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

If you think for one second that people that have served over there are all just a bunch unsympathetic war mongers, then you're just ignorant. You seem to have all of the answers, so why don't you voice them to people that can really make a difference? I respect you're views (even with the insults), but to always make us out to be evil tyrants is quite rediculous. The reason I mentioned the last comment about a crowd exploding is because one day you might be in the same boat in your homeland ( not a war zone) and maybe you'll see why I always mention strategy being a main motivator to what we are doing in these sort of places.You're intelligent, but you don't know everything. Hell Im in the military and I don't know all thats going on or what is planned. Yes the reasons for being there now are quite different than when we first arrived, but that's because of the corrupt leaders, but the intial intention for Afghanistan was spot on imo. Iraq on the other hand, has never set well with me.
Once again, there is no point to argue via internet because Ill never agree with you on everything, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

I do however agree that we need to pull out if we are just going to B.S around and not finish the job. I also agree that certain contractor and leaders, etc need to be prosecuted and held accountable for their atrocities. And for the civilians of the country, the evil U.S does rebuild what they destroy. They have spent ungodly amounts of money to reestablish and progress the infrastructure of Afghanistan. If there wasn't so much money being embezzled through the capital to middle eastern banks, maybe the positive progress would be more apparent.

Anyways, as before, agree to disagree. Just remember that not everyone serving the U.S or Austrailia, etc, is an ignorant redneck warmonger with no heart.

[dig72]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

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If you think for one second that people that have served over there are all just a bunch unsympathetic war mongers, then you're just ignorant.

They are your words, not mine.

I lay all the blame on the policy makers. Soldiers do as they are ordered.

You seem to have all of the answers, so why don't you voice them to people that can really make a difference?

I don't have all the answers, nor do I pretend to. I vote, protest, meet with groups against wars/injustices, voice my opinions via the net and donate when I can.

Question is, will it change anything? And the answer is no, not at this moment in time.

I respect you're views (even with the insults), but to always make us out to be evil tyrants is quite rediculous.

I don't believe I have insulted you personally and if you feel that way then I do apologize.

I will however, continue to insult and direct my disgust at the cowardly leaders and policy makers, for it is they who are to blame for these acts of terrorism.

The reason I mentioned the last comment about a crowd exploding is because one day you might be in the same boat in your homeland ( not a war zone) and maybe you'll see why I always mention strategy being a main motivator to what we are doing in these sort of places

This is a military mentality and history has proven that such strategies will not work.

Adventures like the most recent ones, will always come back to bite you on the ass. It will happen and there is nothing you or I can do about it. It's just a matter of time and those on the receiving end will be innocent civilians.

Yes the reasons for being there now are quite different than when we first arrived, but that's because of the corrupt leaders, but the intial intention for Afghanistan was spot on imo. Iraq on the other hand, has never set well with me.

Opinions are a great thing.

Once again, there is no point to argue via internet because Ill never agree with you on everything, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

I'm just voicing my opinions and obvious disgust at the deliberate murder of innocent civilians.

You don't have to agree with what I have to say and nor do I want you to. But you will hear what I have to say on this issue whenever it pops it's head out.

I do however agree that we need to pull out if we are just going to B.S around and not finish the job. I also agree that certain contractor and leaders, etc need to be prosecuted and held accountable for their atrocities.

Sooner the better.

And for the civilians of the country, the evil U.S does rebuild what they destroy

How can the US and it's partners in crime ever compensate the life of a loved one?

Answer is, they can't. Money don't mean jack when you are grieving.

Revenge and hate sounds alot more appealing and rest assured it will be coming our way.

This is the way it works, cause and affect.

They have spent ungodly amounts of money to reestablish and progress the infrastructure of Afghanistan. If there wasn't so much money being embezzled through the capital to middle eastern banks, maybe the positive progress would be more apparent.

Your leaders are responsible for this, blame them.

Just remember that not everyone serving the U.S or Austrailia, etc, is an ignorant redneck warmonger with no heart

Your words, not mine.

[dig72]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

How can any sane person defend the actions of these US terrorists?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=115090&sectionid=351020403

[hambino21]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

That is a horrible event to happen and those soldiers should be prosecuted appropriately, and the families of the deceased be compensated. Those idiots invloved in that isolated incident do not represent the majority though. The masses will of course think the entire US is satan and we should all die and what not, but that is very narrow minded to be like that. I don't think everyone in the middle east needs to be eradicated due to Sept 11. Whatever, my condolences do go out to the families of the deceased and lets hope this isn't a reccurring situation.

[dig72]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

This is not an isolated incident at all. There are innocent civilians being killed almost every other day by US forces.

What's the difference with deliberately being shot in the head or blown up with a bomb?

The whole bloody country is under occupation for gods sake.

And the longer it continues the more the innocent will suffer.

[superdave]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

How can any sane person defend the actions of these US terrorists?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020403

I don't think we've got the whole story and not enough information to prosecute the soldiers. The soldiers could be guilty, but those students could be guilty terrorists as well. We get this in America a lot with the police. The police are in the wrong sometimes, but most of the time the guys are bad and usually lying.

[floridaorange]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

^after reading that article, i'd certainly agree.

[dig72]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

I don't think we've got the whole story and not enough information to prosecute the soldiers.

Maybe not but at least the soldiers involved will get a hearing of some sort.

The victims on the other hand will receive nothing.

And besides it's really not that hard to believe. It's happened before and it would be fair to say that it happens everyday. The murder of innocent civilians that is.

The article also states that, The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan said in a recent report that 2,038 civilians had died in the first 10 months of 2009 as a result of US-led operations in the conflict-torn country.

That's around five victims a day?

There are other reports out there that say, number of civilians murdered by the US and it's partners in crime are even higher.

And besides, I would believe what the victims of Afghanistan have to say over a military spokesman any day.

Wouldn't you?

[superdave]

Re: Has America reached the turning point in Afghanistan?

Maybe not but at least the soldiers involved will get a hearing of some sort.

The victims on the other hand will receive nothing.

And besides it's really not that hard to believe. It's happened before and it would be fair to say that it happens everyday. The murder of innocent civilians that is.

The article also states that, The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan said in a recent report that 2,038 civilians had died in the first 10 months of 2009 as a result of US-led operations in the conflict-torn country.

That's around five victims a day?

There are other reports out there that say, number of civilians murdered by the US and it's partners in crime are even higher.

And besides, I would believe what the victims of Afghanistan have to say over a military spokesman any day.

Wouldn't you?

I don't trust either party. It should be investigated, but until more facts come out then we can make a call whether the soldiers acted inappropriately. As for the five victims a day, that's an average. Wouldn't surprise me if there was an attack by drones that killed many civilians one day and then none for awhile. Also, some of those civilians are probably terrorists as well.