Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

The Balfour Declaration states:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

And your point is what????

i know what it states, my question, since again reading comprehension is not big over there, was this...

made out to

to make it simply....who was the balfour declaration sent too?

you know, when you send someone a letter you made it out to them.

was the balfour declaration sent to the world jewish leaders? WJO maybe?

Er, what? Whether Israel used the Star of David or the Menorah on their flag should confirm to you that Israel is intrinsically Jewish, unless you want to claim that these ancient Jewish images from the Old Testament aren't Jewish symbols?

Introduction

Željko Heimer asked about flag designs he saw in Ha'Degel (The Flag), a 1948 Israeli book (in Hebrew) [Nimtza-bi 1948]. The designs were all in blue and white and incorporated the Israel flag in one way or other. I recently located the book at the National Library and found out that these designs are the author's suggestions for a flag for Israel. He explains that since the Zionist Movement as a political movement would still exist, its flag could not become the flag of Israel as a state. In this situation the Zionists in the Diaspora would be using a flag of a foreign nation which would raise the problem of loyalty. So the flag of Hebrew nationalism and Zionism and the flag of the State of Israel should be distinct, but the latter could incorporate the former, as in the designs illustrated.
I do not know what was done with the suggested designs in the book, but I read elsewhere that the Provisional Government had this consideration in mind too and for that reason the Israeli national flag was officially proclaimed only in October while the merchant flag was adopted in May. Eventually the Zionist flag did became the national flag and indeed in some places and times the Zionists had problems.

http://crwflags.com/fotw/flags/il!1948h.html

Prof. Scholem, one of the greatest Jewish scholars of our time, a researcher of Kabbalah and Jewish mysticism and one of the founders of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, conducted a 50-year study of the history of the Star of David. He published a short summary of the study in 1949, shortly after the symbol was chosen to appear on the new state's national flag.

In his article Prof. Scholem stated that, "The Magen David is not a Jewish symbol, and therefore not the 'symbol of Judaism'."

http://www.viciousbabushka.com/2009/...ar-claims.html

No aspirations? Really? Have you read any ancient Jewish prayers? Obviously not

always next year eh?

wording was wrong, maybe i should of said, why for so long did no one act on those feelings until zionism came along?(nice dodge on the three oaths btw)

and also you know at the first zionist conference, they had 2 other places picked out for a homeland as well, they settled on israel because of the ties there, so it might be easier to get.

Yawn, and btw quoting from a Neturei Karta funded front organisation means what exactly? Jews against Zionism members count for less that 0.01 percent of world Jewry.

according to who? you? got any figures that back you up? cause i have seen 5-10k people protests these guys put together in nyc, which btw has a large jewish population as well.

But you keep quoting cult organisations who represent less Jews than live in a two block radius of my home. Moron!

hey, back to name calling, man that feels good eh? well t was fun, sorry you could not bring anything more then an uneducated guess to the table, maybe living there ain't doing so much for understanding your own culture.

[davetlv]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

i know what it states, my question, since again reading comprehension is not big over there, was this...

to make it simply....who was the balfour declaration sent too?

Chaim Weizman.

and also you know at the first zionist conference, they had 2 other places picked out for a homeland as well, they settled on israel because of the ties there, so it might be easier to get.

No, they were offered two other countries, Uganda and Argentina, neither of which were acceptable. Israel is and was the ancestral home for the Jewish people.

according to who? you? got any figures that back you up? cause i have seen 5-10k people protests these guys put together in nyc, which btw has a large jewish population as well.

I have also witnessed large gatherings organised by Jews against Zionism and could no doubt count the amount of Jews there on a simple abacus. Jews against Zionism events have a huge following with the left and other anti-Israel groupings.

Now, on to the Star of David, there is ample historical evidence to contradict your above claims that the star is not a Jewish symbol, far more than one source you supplied.

You historical revisionists crack me up, next you'll be telling me there was no Jewish presence in the Land of Israel before the 19th Century.

Come back with real facts and not revisionist bullshit.

And finally someone who lacks basic grammar really shouldn't challenge other peoples language skills. Learn to write moron.

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

Chaim Weizman.

so are you just dense or like, do your research skills suck that bad?

The declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland, a Zionist organization.

the declaration was made out to who?

Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:

you somehow forgot this tidbit right?

No, they were offered two other countries, Uganda and Argentina, neither of which were acceptable. Israel is and was the ancestral home for the Jewish people.

Really? so, by chance WHO offered them the other countries? first i have ever heard they were offered countries, did the countries know they were being offered?

you got any source for this outlandish view?

I have also witnessed large gatherings organised by Jews against Zionism and could no doubt count the amount of Jews there on a simple abacus. Jews against Zionism events have a huge following with the left and other anti-Israel groupings.

as they ARE anti-israel, i would suppose they would have a big following among them.

common sense, it's fun sometimes.

Now, on to the Star of David, there is ample historical evidence to contradict your above claims that the star is not a Jewish symbol, far more than one source you supplied.

let me re-quote again for you, so as you can understand it.

one of the greatest Jewish scholars of our time

one of the founders of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem

conducted a 50-year study of the history of the Star of David.

"The Magen David is not a Jewish symbol

now, after conducting a 50 year study by one of the great jewish minds of the 20th century(plus research i have done on my own), or take your word for it.

man, thats a tough one.

roflmfao

get real buddy, if there were plenty of historical examples, are you saying that this dude, doing a 50 year study, somehow missed them all?

really?


did i mention that this guy is having a book about this subject published.............60 years after his death?

guess it is all bullshit eh?

but wait, did the propaganda kick in already?

So, who really cares when the Star of David became a Jewish symbol? If it was adopted as a powerful vehicle of Jewish memory and indentity, if it moves Jews to tears, and if it passes muster with Jewish Law and values; then ahlan ve-sahlan, (and spare me, PLEASE, the silly cow shechting).

Long story short, this was all well known, and, like you said, doesn't really change anything anyway.

http://myobiterdicta.blogspot.com/2009/05/much-ado-about-nothing-scholem-on-star.html

And finally someone who lacks basic grammar really shouldn't challenge other peoples language skills. Learn to write moron.

reading comprehension is not a language skill, and grammer does not keep me from understanding the conversation.

[Miroslav]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

wow... runningman posts a completely whacked out thread and then yesme hijacks it and turns it into an even nuttier thread. Is this forum great or what. You two should write a humor book.

[davetlv]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

Like I said you historical revisionists crack me up.

[davetlv]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

quoted for truth brother!

It surprises me not one bit that a revisionist like you makes up false quotes and attributes them to others.

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

really?

exactly what quote is false?

[davetlv]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

Your post before last on this thread here is a complete fabrication

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

Your post before last on this thread here is a complete fabrication

LMFAO

your funny as hell bro!!!

how about you point out what was false, and then use some source back up, we call it a "debate"

we all would love to believe you charlie manson, but source's would be great.

[davetlv]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

Nice to know you think in a debate forum you have the right to falsify quotes of other people.

The very nature of the act leads me to believe that you are incapable of debate. Simple. For if a man is stupid enough to falsify such a quote what else is he lying about.

I'm done with you.

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

i hate to keep beating you up with facts, but i just keep getting a luagh at of you saying all these jews are lying, well except you that is....lol

Magein David
The Magen David (Shield of David, or as it is more commonly known, the Star of David) is the symbol most commonly associated with Judaism today, but it is actually a relatively new Jewish symbol. It is supposed to represent the shape of King David's shield (or perhaps the emblem on it), but there is really no support for that claim in any early rabbinic literature. The symbol is not mentioned in rabbinic literature until the middle ages, and is so rare in early Jewish literature and artwork that art dealers suspect forgery if they find the symbol in early Jewish works.

from those basterds of revisionist history.......

http://www.jewfaq.org/signs.htm

It doesn’t have any religious significance in Judaism



The origins of the Star of David are unclear. We do know that the symbol hasn't always been associated exclusively with Judaism, but was used by Christians and Muslims at various points in history. Sometimes it was even associated with King Solomon instead of King David.

more bastards of revisionist history.........

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/starofdavid.htm

The evolution of the six-pointed Jewish star,
the "Magen David," literally the "Shield of David." also known as the hexagram,
or more rarely, *Solomon's Seal, is long and complex. Although it is now the most common and
universally recognized sign of Judaism and Jewish identity, both within and outside of the Jewish community,
it has only achieved this status in the last two hundred years. Before that it was chiefly associated with magic
or with the insignia of individual families or communities.

http://www.menorah.org/starofdavid.html

last 200 years? so around the time zionist started their plans? interesting.

but all these are self hating jews practicing revisionist history right dave?

Contrary to common belief, evidence suggests that the Star of David was not made popular until the end of the 19th century. In the middle ages, the Star of David was used in witch craft ceremonies and magical rituals as it was considered to have mystic power. The shape of the hexagram was also known to other Eastern cultures that had no relation to Judaism. They too believed that the hexagram was a powerful magical tool and used it in various rituals.

more bastards of revisionist history eh?

http://www.canaan-online.com/181291

i wonder if their is ANY jewish site out there that supports your views dave, could you provide source please?

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

Nice to know you think in a debate forum you have the right to falsify quotes of other people.

The very nature of the act leads me to believe that you are incapable of debate. Simple. For if a man is stupid enough to falsify such a quote what else is he lying about.

I'm done with you.

um, what false quote?

mcfly, source, mcfly,source?

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

any source AT ALL, or should we just take your word for it sir?

hell you wont even say what quote is false, something dont smell right dave, you using bs tactics to get out of the debate bro?

i'll be more then happy to retract said quote when you provide source that quote is false.

[yesme]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

http://books.google.com/books?id=eUp9OcCi-1EC&pg=RA1-PA49&lpg=RA1-PA49&dq=star+of+david+not+a+jewish+symbol&source=bl&ots=eAA-nEhVMa&sig=ikk6u_xVGx0OZo1eoJWYQeVTAio&hl=en&ei=ObvESsaWA4rV8Aap0Lw1&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=star%20of%20david%20not%20a%20jewish%20symbol&f=false

been considered the Jewish symbol par excellence, was not necessarily Jewish at all

[davetlv]

Re: Damn where did that 2nd Nuclear Reactor Come From?

You have the audacity to fabricate a quote by me, post here and expect not to get picked up on it.

Go fuck yourself