Saddam and Al-qaeda

[brakada]

the commission concluded, that there wasn't really that much of cooperation between Al Quaeda and Iraq regime...

No they didn't. Read the report again. I can cite reference after reference that shows ties between the two entities.

How can you say that?

Well, you made me read the part of the report, including the notes, and I spent a lot of time, to find out that I am 100% where my mouth/keyboard is. :wink:

And you obviously did not understand my words. I am well aware that Iraqis and Al Quaeda had contacs, but as far as I can read from the report, beside contacts, there was no further cooperation, cause one or the other side rejected it. Most of the claims, end with something like: but there is no real proof that anything.... The closest they get is at the point, when:

"There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy."

And the use of words is tolerated and MAY even have helped... But that's as close as it gets IMHO. So, I'm sticking with my previous post. :P

[cosmo]

the commission concluded, that there wasn't really that much of cooperation between Al Quaeda and Iraq regime...

No they didn't. Read the report again. I can cite reference after reference that shows ties between the two entities.

How can you say that?

Well, you made me read the part of the report, including the notes, and I spent a lot of time, to find out that I am 100% where my mouth/keyboard is. :wink:

And you obviously did not understand my words. I am well aware that Iraqis and Al Quaeda had contacs, but as far as I can read from the report, beside contacts, there was no further cooperation, cause one or the other side rejected it. Most of the claims, end with something like: but there is no real proof that anything.... The closest they get is at the point, when:

"There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy."

And the use of words is tolerated and MAY even have helped... But that's as close as it gets IMHO. So, I'm sticking with my previous post. :P

I guess you missed this:


Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.



If Saddam was tied to Hamas and Hezbollah, and was tied to al-Qaeda, that means they were all inter-connected.

It made perfect sense to invade a country that was controlled by a tyrranical government that had control of billions of petro-dollars, and had ties to terrorists.

[brakada]

My dear friend, nice to have you back again . . . now then there are two types of UN resolutions, The General Assembly and The Security Council. Only the Security Council has the backing of International Law.

I think you will find that the resolutions against Iraq were via the S.C whilst those against Israel were from the G.A. (or certainly more than 95%), and anyhow, no resolution against Israel threatens them with military action backed by the UN if the resolution is not complied with, unlike resolutions passed against Iraq.

Does that clear it up for Brakada

Thanks, for the warm welcome...

You certainly cleared it up for me...

I was just teasing you a little with that one. :wink:

But what do you think about my other comment:

What I don't understand exactly is why the US and the UK didn't allow the inspectors to finnish their job, once Sadam seemed (or let me rephrase; was forced ) to cooperate with the inspectors. If you ask me, that would be a better way to determine the fate of his WMDs, than the state is today (when noone knows whether the weapons are Iraq, they have been moved, or they might have been destroyed), which I find even more disturbing for world peace and security.

[cosmo]

Thanks, for the warm welcome...

You certainly cleared it up for me...

I was just teasing you a little with that one. :wink:

But what do you think about my other comment:

What I don't understand exactly is why the US and the UK didn't allow the inspectors to finnish their job, once Sadam seemed (or let me rephrase; was forced ) to cooperate with the inspectors. If you ask me, that would be a better way to determine the fate of his WMDs, than the state is today (when noone knows whether the weapons are Iraq, they have been moved, or they might have been destroyed), which I find even more disturbing for world peace and security.

Because:

It made perfect sense to invade a country that was controlled by a tyrranical government that had control of billions of petro-dollars, and had ties to terrorists.

Even without the WMD.

[brakada]

^^^^ The previous post was meant to dave (forgot quoting him)... But thanx for your swift answer anyway... Oh, and please refer me to the exact part of the report, that says that, don't have the time, looking for it...

[davetlv]

Yeah wot Cosmo said! :wink:

[HoneyBearKelly]

Osama and Saddam hate each other so if there was any al Qaeda in Iraq it was to get rid of Saddam who they consider to be heretic to Islam.

[cosmo]

Osama and Saddam hate each other so if there was any al Qaeda in Iraq it was to get rid of Saddam who they consider to be heretic to Islam.

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[Yao]

I don't know cosmo, there have -contrary to the 9/11 report- been sounds even before going into Iraq that Saddam as well as the Saudi Royal family were to say the least, not befriended with Osama. Might try and searh for it, but I don't know if I'm gonna find anything.

I'm not saying HoneyBearKelly is right either.

Will report back.

[cosmo]

I don't know cosmo, there have -contrary to the 9/11 report- been sounds even before going into Iraq that Saddam as well as the Saudi Royal family were to say the least, not befriended with Osama. Might try and searh for it, but I don't know if I'm gonna find anything.

I'm not saying HoneyBearKelly is right either.

Will report back.

Al Qaeda's avowed goal for the past ten years has been the removal of American forces from Saudi Arabia, where they stood in harm's way solely to contain Saddam.

I specifically remember this claim. Bin Laden spoke on Saddams behalf, in regards to us containing Saddam. Did you guys just discredit everything this post was based on?

[Yao]

Of course not, but there have been more reports than just the one from the 9/11 comission, which was payed for by the government, right?

I never rely on one source, especially one funded by the government, however unbiased it may seem. I know about the claim that he wanted the USA out of the Middle East alltogether, but I don't know about Bin Laden speaking on behalf of Saddam.

[DragonFire]

if you read about al qaeda's history andcreation you would simply know very well that there is no way bin laden could shake hands with saddam .... bin laden possess thoughts against many governments in the middle east cuz of there corruption .. and saddam was an figure of corruption

[cosmo]

if you read about al qaeda's history andcreation you would simply know very well that there is no way bin laden could shake hands with saddam .... bin laden possess thoughts against many governments in the middle east cuz of there corruption .. and saddam was an figure of corruption

It's all based on how Saddam was an enemy of Saudi Arabia, as is Bin Laden. And the huge factor of why they didn't hate each other, is because they were Sunni Arabs.

You see the pact that has been made? Who is fighting alongside Al-duri(Saddams military chief)? Zarqawi. They are working together because they have the same ideological and religious backgrounds. Of course, Saddam was 'secular', but they all have one vision.

Freedom for Palestine. Saddam funded Hamas, Hamas and Hizbollah frequent each other, and Hizbollah and Al Qaeda have ties together.

They are all Sunni arabs that are inter-connected.

The money flows into the same coffers.

[WaveSculptor]

Re: Saddam and Al-qaeda

I feel Bin Laden's personal wealth is largely irrelevant. The Bin Laden FAMILY is one of the wealthiest in Saudi Arabia, and are trusted advisors to the royal family. The Bush's and Bin Ladens have a relationship that goes back at least as long, to when the Saudi family financed 'Arbusto', the oil company that our minority elected pres. ran into the ground. Bin Laden was also receiving approximately $20Million a year from the CIA to battle the soviets in Afghanistan over the last decade of the cold war. Unfortunately this funding continued for years after Osama had switched his focus from the soviet threat to the threat of American economic imperialism...oops.

Due to simple geography, every nation in the middle east is bound to have al qaeda operatives stationed there, probably even on the govt payroll. I don't think that is sufficient evidence to invade Iraq either.

Obviously there were no WMDs, so that whole media frenzy ammounted to little more than a smokescreen...

The 'Intelligence' that we are presented is perhaps four or five pieces of a 300 piece puzzle, and the privatized media fills in the blanks just enough to paint a picture that agrees with our political agenda...coincidence?

All of the evidence and ties are murky at best... but what disturbs me the most is the blatant discrepancy between the story that we the public receive, and the actual financial history and political dynamics of the region. This in itself is enough to clue me into the fact that the truth is being concealed or overwritten, and I don't think that's something America should participate in or represent to the rest of the world.

[Bululu]

Re: Saddam and Al-qaeda

The enemy of my enemy is my friend , exactly like Ben Laden was funded by the US gov when they wanted to get rid of the USSR in Afghanistan, by the way did you know that the report the Blair Gov gave to justify the invasion on Iraq was copied from the interent based on a paper a guy wrote for his thesis for university , I am in a hurry now, I''ll find a link when I get back home tonight , later peeps.