everyone hates the jews

[runningman]

Jews-- the cursed people to walk the earth

[rubyraks]

Re: everyone hates the jews

First off thesightless Sharon is only doing part of what international law demands off of my country, let alone what the vast majority of Israelis want. For the majority of the world you see Israels illegal occupation of the terrtories as purely an issue of land, however for many of us we also see it as an enormous drain on limited resources. For this young country to succeed we need to ensure that there is complete parity amongst its population, and yet we see successive governments (both left and right) giving settlers prefriential treatment in all walks of day to day life. So before you ask yourself 'How can Sharon (or Peres or Beilin or Lapid etc) do this' ask yourself what the people want!

ok, again i self admittedly dont know a lot about it b/c i never really cared about it enough to listen, but now i want to know. was the gaza area an Isreali occupied land when it was created for palastinians and then were the isreali's told to leave thier land> or> did the isreali's move into the land on thier own part and attempt to populate an area they were told to stay out of.?????

to quote someone "" why cant we all just get along.?"

the Gaza strip was land that was initially given to the Palestinians when the UN recognized Israel in 1948. On the day that Israel became a state (and then again in 1956 and 1967), the Palestinians allowed the neighboring arabic countries to use those lands from which to attack Israel...hoping to get a piece of the pie if Israel were defeated. As I see it, the Israelis were tired of these lands being used to attack them so they took them to use as a buffer between the attacking countries and themselves after the 1967 War.

Jews-- the cursed people to walk the earth

What the hell does that mean?

[cosmo]

So far as I know, the israelis have no problem in getting along with their neighbors. The hamas leaders have no problem teaching the palestinian children everything from songs that preach the killing(burning) of Israeli children, sharpening their bones into sharp sticks, to Israelis raping their own daughters and sisters.

There are summer camps in Palestine where Hamas members teach 3-5 year old children how to wire explosives to themselves to detonate themselves.

[Balanc3]

Anyone remember the riots in Crown Heights, NY 1991? Not a good time, and was quickly forgotten after the L.A. riot in 1993. Here is an article:

http://www.ex-iwp.org/docs/1993/Crown%20Heights%20Riot%20Aftermath.htm

[Yao]

Philip Gourevitch, one of the best and unbiased journalists around IMO, with a pen as sharp as a knife...

[brakada]

So far as I know, the israelis have no problem in getting along with their neighbors. The hamas leaders have no problem teaching the palestinian children everything from songs that preach the killing(burning) of Israeli children, sharpening their bones into sharp sticks, to Israelis raping their own daughters and sisters.

Yes, but Hamas leaders represen a small number of Palestinians (there certainly are a couple of Israeli extremists, not at all less violent or less ill-intended, although the number of extremists is far larger in Palestine), but they are sadly the loudest. Normal civilians' voices just aren't heard IMHO.

There are summer camps in Palestine where Hamas members teach 3-5 year old children how to wire explosives to themselves to detonate themselves.

Any credible sources/links on that one?

Hey, mom is sending me to a suicede bombers camp this summer. I can't wait. I'm sure it'll be bobmastic. :wink: But what do you want, there are no playgrounds for children to play, anyway...

[davetlv]

Re: everyone hates the jews

Part 2

First off we need to realise that the land that was originally offered under the Balfour Decleration and the British Manadate to the Jews was very different in size to the 1947 UN Partition plan. Between 1917 and 1947 the world seemed to forget that when the original plan talked of two states that those two states were actually Israel and Transjordan. After much appeasement of the Arabs by the British during the mandate years a third and altogether new state emerged - that of Palestine.

After two wars where Israel held her own she was attacked in June 1967 by her neighbours. Ruby more or less gets it right about the Gaza and West Bank with the exception that it was NOT Palestinian land, it was land which was occuppied by Jordan and Egypt. There was no Palestinian political structures at all.

Although some arabs fled what became Israel in 1948 the majority left under the promise by their brethren that once the great arab armies had defeated the zionist imperialist scum (paraphrashing here obviously) they could return home. They were forced into the areas of Gaza and the West Bank and later had a refugee agency set up for them by the UN. It should be noted that it was the norm at the time for host countries to intergrate refugees at the time, as it is today, and not keept them as seperate entities.

After the six day war when Israel defeated the armies of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, it also occuppied three land masses. The Golan Height (from Syria which it later went on to annex) The Gaza Strip (from Egypt) and the West Bank (from Jordan). With it it also gain a 29 year old refugee problem.

Since then the land has been occupied by Israel.

Thats as near to unbiased as i can be, the following however is entirely biased.

There has never been a State of Palestine. There has never been a seperate Palestinian people. The term was created after the British fucked up their own mandate and wanted to appease the arab states. The Palestinian refugees you hear of today are as much as a responsibilty of Jordan then they are Israel, after all the orginial partition plan gave the arabs a sepereate state - Jordan.

The Palestinian people who have been kept under 'occupation' since 1948 have been used as a political tool by neighbouring arab states.

In 1948 there were 600,000 'arabs' who left their homes and moved into the West Bank and Gaza strip. After the State of Israel was declared there have been 600,000 Jews kicked out of arab states and re-housed in the State of Israel. If Jordan and Egypt has behaved correctly towards their refugees in 1948 we would not have the problems we have today.

But thats history.

So whats the future. Like or not, the only realistic future is a two state solution. One for the Jews and one for the 'Palestinians'.

Until the Oslo accords of 1993 (i think it was 1993) it didn't look like anything would change in the region. After Barak/Peres and Araft signed an accord to create an independent Palestinian state thinks looked as if they were going to get better. Israelis knew that realistically they could not hold onto the territories but would have to hand them over to Arafat and the new Palaestinian Authority. Since then every Prime Minister of my country has realised that.

When Barak made an offer to Arafat to hand over 95% of the west bank, all of the Gaza Strip and some 5% of Israel (in compensation to 5% of the west bank) Arafat rejected the offer and the current war of terror began.

Thats more or less it. . .

brakada, Cosmo comments about teaching young palestinian children songs about the murder of Israelis is not a piece of fiction as you very well know. Where Cosmo was slightly off, was that its not Hamas who are doing this is, it is in fact the Palestinian Authority through its schools and summer camps - there is enough evidence out there for you to find such footage.

As for you asking for credible sources to them, what do you call credible?I call video showing the songs being sang (with translations in english via professional translators) as credible enough.

As for Israeli extremists, they on the whole do not go round shooting innocent men women and children or blowing themselves up on buses. The biggest threat these Israeli extremists pose is to Israel itself. When ever Israel has found an israeli planning a terror attack or building bombs (the incidents you can count on two hands BTW) they have been arrested and imprisioned. Not like their Palestinian counterparts.

Ok too long, bit muddled in places, but there you go!

[runningman]

what i meant by "the cursed people to walk the earth" is that almost evrey war that has happened or going to happen is because of the jews.. dating back to moses they were cursed and nothing has changed today..

[rubyraks]

what i meant by "the cursed people to walk the earth" is that almost evrey war that has happened or going to happen is because of the jews.. dating back to moses they were cursed and nothing has changed today..

buddy, that may be the single-most unintelligent racist remark I've heard on this board ever. Are you telling me World War I was because of the Jews? How bout the American revolution or the French one? the Napoleanic war? Crimean war? every civil war that has taken place?

please reserve comments like that for message boards like the National Front or perhaps the KKK...

[Yao]

I was hoping he merely meant the fact that a lot of people are still blaming them for the killing of Chist, but this is a bit across the line...

Nice thing i heard recently: Jesus Christ never meant to be the founder of Christianity, he just wanted to be a good Jew...

[runningman]

i was referring to the killing of christ.. Dave and i already discussed this in 100,000 civilians killed.. just a joke..

[DaStottman]

Re: everyone hates the jews

If people keep reminding me how my people killed Christ, I just keep reminding them how their people let the Holocaust pass by without doing anything until it was too late.

[Yao]

And by the way....Christ was killed 2000 years ago. Get over it. :wink:

I mean, even the Germans are being accepted again in Europe...

[DaStottman]

And by the way....Christ was killed 2000 years ago. Get over it. :wink:

I mean, even the Germans are being accepted again in Europe...

Word.

[runningman]

but the germans arent fighting with the palestinians either