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The US intelligence allows a guy onto a plane and he is escorted on a plane by a sharp dressed man and he has no passport (confirmed). This guy just so happens to have a bomb in his underwear.
Now a company where former Homeland Security Chief is a lobbiest dicides they should put body scanners in all airports (defying the 4th amendmant).
Now we are talking about how the US can tell Canada who can fly on its flights and Canada can't do that back to the US.
Does that about wrap it up how screwed up this whole topic of body scanners in airports because the intelligence community let him on the plane?
Also why do you think Canada has so much power to tell the US what to do?
The US intelligence allows a guy onto a plane and he is escorted on a plane by a sharp dressed man and he has no passport (confirmed). This guy just so happens to have a bomb in his underwear.
Now a company where former Homeland Security Chief is a lobbiest dicides they should put body scanners in all airports (defying the 4th amendmant).
Now we are talking about how the US can tell Canada who can fly on its flights and Canada can't do that back to the US.
If you are flying TO a foreign country, you have to comply with their laws. If they want you to go thru a body scanner, or get an anal cavity search and you want to enter the country, either at the source of entry or destination you do it, or you dont enter the country.
If I fly to Thailand with a kilo of coke in my backpack, I'd better expect to look forward to a shitty future in jail and execution in my future. Agree?
If I fly from Toronto to the Bahamas the US could say I'm not allowed on the flight because I am passing through their airspace. Even if it is a direct flight (No stops in the US) TO - Nassau direct. Get it now?
I understand the other rules in communist countries.. thanks.
If I fly from Toronto to the Bahamas the US could say I'm not allowed on the flight because I am passing through their airspace. Even if it is a direct flight (No stops in the US) TO - Nassau direct. Get it now?
I understand the other rules in communist countries.. thanks.
nah, you are being dictated to by your gov't and the destination gov't security policies.
Does that about wrap it up how screwed up this whole topic of body scanners in airports because the intelligence community let him on the plane?
Let's dispose of this fallacy right now, because I've seen it spread too many times. Yes, it was an epic failure to allow this dude on the plane, but the "intelligence community" didn't come together to let him on to the plane, he was able to find A PERSON to facilitate him being allowed to board, which is all it takes, unfortunately. Get one person to believe your story and want to help you out, and you're off to the races. I know it's much sexier and in line with your world view to imagine that there was a grand conspiracy to board this guy, but the truth is that this was probably much more lo-tech and straightforward than that.
Originally posted by runningman
Also why do you think Canada has so much power to tell the US what to do?
Sovereignty, the same thing that empowers the US to tell Canada what to do within its airspace.
rm, I'd still like to hear your thoughts on why the USA is able to restrict Canadians from getting on a plane, while Canada isn't able to restrict Americans from getting on a plane. Where's the difference? What enables us to do something that Canada isn't able to do?
If I fly from Toronto to the Bahamas the US could say I'm not allowed on the flight because I am passing through their airspace. Even if it is a direct flight (No stops in the US) TO - Nassau direct. Get it now?
Imagine that you were on a no-fly list as a suspected terrorist and you want to fly from Toronto to Nassau, over the US. The US is well within its rights to say, sorry Air Canada, either you usher that dude off of your flight, or you reroute your plane so that you're not using our airspace. We don't have the right to tell you who you can have on your plane in general, but when we start granting you access to our airspace for your convenience, we get to have some input.
If you don't like it, charter your own damn flight and go around.
^^ Oh well thank god it sounds right so it must be true.
why is it that you guys never post link. Credible people would post a link to back up your story.
Toasty you are competely wrong.
Do some of the leg work and come talk to me. I already posted my links now lets see yours. It is easy to just sit there and say"no" or "no way thats crazy"
Secure Flight, the newest weapon in the U.S. war on terrorism, gives the United States unprecedented power over who can board planes that fly over U.S. airspace.
Secure Flight applies to flights to, from or over the United States, from Canada to another country. Flights between two Canadian cities, that travel over U.S. airspace, are excluded, but about 80 per cent of Canadian flights to the Caribbean and other southern points and to Europe fly over the U.S.
Like we've said all along. Its our air, if you want to use it, you gotta follow our rules. Solved.
as far as I know nobody is arguing the fact that you guys can tell which Canadian citizens can get on a flight?? We wer arguing that canada can't tell US who can fly on thier flights.
Mutahallab was let to fly on the plane because "they say" they wanted to catch bigger fish.
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