I am an American conservative shithead

[picklemonkey]

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I never claimed to have written it. My original post said I found it on the internet.

[DIDI]

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^^^ Another reason I don't come here often is that people actually don't read the posts fully anyway.

[floridaorange]

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^ huh?

[DIDI]

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^^ Ha ha ha !!

[Miroslav]

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Hey! i have a great fucking idea Picklemonkey! - why don't you simply re-write all of the nonsensical shit from 4Chan so nobody ever has to post a pic from that site again!

oh btw,

the government isnt' necessary for any of those.

fuckin' FCC? are you goddamn kidding me? hooray for censorship? I could spend hours just destroying that, but time is a non-renewable resource (which, thank fuck, I don't need the government's permission to spend it as I choose). People who agree with that nonsense need to be coddled like a child - and so far as I remember, children can't vote. So if you agree with all of that, do us adults a favor and stay home during the elections until you can, you know, appreciate that the government doesn't need to be involved in any of those things (for may reasons, one of which is that the private sector has the incentive to do things cheaper, quicker, and ensure better quality.)


/lulz

Yeah, we don't need an FDA; we'll just trust that the for-profit pharmaceuticals industries always have our best interest at heart and not question them on any drugs they try to shove at us.

And we can just have police, fire departments all be private industry that will do things "cheaper, quicker, and ensure better quality."

And we sure don't need any US regulatory agencies checking on things like imports from China so that we don't get more of their lead paint toys into our kids' mouths.

And we don't need the FAA overseeing airline safety to try to maintain standards across fleets and ensure that improvements are made so that accidents do not reoccur, right?

And the private sector is doing a bang-up job with health care right now - except that costs are skyrocketing out of control under the current system, and a good 15% of the population can't even get health care except for at an emergency room, where you and I end up paying for it anyway. We sure don't need anyone to come in and do anything with it.

I mean, really - who needs any of that? You're so smart.

[runningman]

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Holy Fuck Miroslav is back Mariner is back.. This is Great!!

[88Mariner]

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Yeah, we don't need an FDA; we'll just trust that the for-profit pharmaceuticals industries always have our best interest at heart and not question them on any drugs they try to shove at us.

And we can just have police, fire departments all be private industry that will do things "cheaper, quicker, and ensure better quality."

And we sure don't need any US regulatory agencies checking on things like imports from China so that we don't get more of their lead paint toys into our kids' mouths.

And we don't need the FAA overseeing airline safety to try to maintain standards across fleets and ensure that improvements are made so that accidents do not reoccur, right?

And the private sector is doing a bang-up job with health care right now - except that costs are skyrocketing out of control under the current system, and a good 15% of the population can't even get health care except for at an emergency room, where you and I end up paying for it anyway. We sure don't need anyone to come in and do anything with it.

I mean, really - who needs any of that? You're so smart.

Of COURSE we need the FDA. We need them telling people who have horrible disease that although they could try a certain drug that is being developed to help them, they cannot do so until the federal government has given it's stamp of approval. I'm curious Miroslav, how many people have died because they were denied drugs that would have been more readily accessible to them had the FDA not stepped in and blocked what would have been a viable cure for their illness. And we all know that the FDA is a bastion of ethical purity, with all those perfect drugs they sign-off on. If you want to go to a pharmaceutical company with ill-repute, that is your business. All the FDA does is jack the costs of the drugs, get between patients and their cures, and encourages doing the bare minimum the FDA requires.

Maybe we should have government step in and tell us what bodybuilding supplement we can use. Since obesity is a growing drain on our country, maybe the government should mandate exercising - nobody could ever figure out what is a safe exercise without the government stepping in. Heck, the government should nationalize all grocery stores so that nobody ever buys a goddamn twinkie agian! Perhaps the government could even step in and start regulating a significant portion of the internet to protect all of us from obscene material, false information, and maybe even viruses! PERSONALLY, i feel safe when I'm using a government computer and not my own. Because I'm completely devoid of any intelligence that would help me avoid such problems.

It really is a wonder how we've come so far in lieu of government controlling minds and markets....

I'll spare you further comment on your absurd governmentalist beliefs. Because as we all know, only labeling a private person a government employee will cure all your problems. (perhaps a government board could have approved of your comment first before you made it? It would at least prevent people like runningman from 'spamming' the Politics section. ...... amidoinitright?)

come at me bro

[runningman]

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[floridaorange]

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Of COURSE we need the FDA. We need them telling people who have horrible disease that although they could try a certain drug that is being developed to help them, they cannot do so until the federal government has given it's stamp of approval. I'm curious Miroslav, how many people have died because they were denied drugs that would have been more readily accessible to them had the FDA not stepped in and blocked what would have been a viable cure for their illness. And we all know that the FDA is a bastion of ethical purity, with all those perfect drugs they sign-off on. If you want to go to a pharmaceutical company with ill-repute, that is your business. All the FDA does is jack the costs of the drugs, get between patients and their cures, and encourages doing the bare minimum the FDA requires.

Maybe we should have government step in and tell us what bodybuilding supplement we can use. Since obesity is a growing drain on our country, maybe the government should mandate exercising - nobody could ever figure out what is a safe exercise without the government stepping in. Heck, the government should nationalize all grocery stores so that nobody ever buys a goddamn twinkie agian! Perhaps the government could even step in and start regulating a significant portion of the internet to protect all of us from obscene material, false information, and maybe even viruses! PERSONALLY, i feel safe when I'm using a government computer and not my own. Because I'm completely devoid of any intelligence that would help me avoid such problems.

It really is a wonder how we've come so far in lieu of government controlling minds and markets....

I'll spare you further comment on your absurd governmentalist beliefs. Because as we all know, only labeling a private person a government employee will cure all your problems. (perhaps a government board could have approved of your comment first before you made it? It would at least prevent people like runningman from 'spamming' the Politics section. ...... amidoinitright?)

come at me bro

My friends grandfather is the owner of Merk, heard of'm? And my uncle sits on boards of several pharma companies, what your saying is just incorrect Mariner, sorry but . Some of them only make supplements, others make actual drugs... I've met with the owners of these companies, guys in the early 30's who drive the flashiest cars on earth... and the Merk family that lives in West Palm Beach, forget it... this is the last industry that you should argue for self-regulation

And we most definitely do need the FDA "brah." It's so easy to poke holes in bureaucratic organizations, frankly I find the whole argument you're trying to make incredibly futile.

We've had enough knee-jerk, "come at me bro" comments on here...Some of you need to come up with some original and applicable ideas, rather than just bullsh*tting all the time about issues.

[88Mariner]

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"i know people who work for pharmaceuticals and they drive flashy cars and live on the beach. therefore we need government"

is basically what you said.

lulz,

keep trying.

[floridaorange]

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^Now I get why you and Runningman see eye to eye.

I don't suffer fools like Miro does, and god bless'm for it

[res0nat0r]

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Here seems like a relavent link to what you are talking about.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6354483n

60 Minutes tonight ran a very interesting story about private biotech companies have the ability to patent human genes and have exclusive rights to them. Basically one company has a patent to the genes which can be tested for breast cancer and charges $3200 for this test. So no other company can even run this test or examine the genes and they have an exclusive contract to do this, and also patients can't seek a second opinion somewhere else because no other companies are allowed to examine these patented genes.

Luckily the ACLU sued and just last week this type of patent was ruled invalid by a judge, and hopefully this will be held up so that health care research isn't being stifled still in the future.

[Miroslav]

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Of COURSE we need the FDA. We need them telling people who have horrible disease that although they could try a certain drug that is being developed to help them, they cannot do so until the federal government has given it's stamp of approval. I'm curious Miroslav, how many people have died because they were denied drugs that would have been more readily accessible to them had the FDA not stepped in and blocked what would have been a viable cure for their illness.

About as many as have been saved because side effects of medications were independently studied and documented and because risky medical components were inspected and identified - like tainted Heparin from China.

http://www.in-pharmatechnologist.com/Processing-QC/FDA-concerned-after-inspection-of-China-heparin-plant

The world isn't black and white. If the entire health industry was run by the FDA, I would be the first to admit that it would be very, very bad. But if the entire health industry had no counterbalance to the private for-profit corporations, then I would also be objective enough to admit that this, too, would be very, very bad. I worked for big pharma for a good six years, and I saw all kinds of aspects of that business through the corporate finance lens, and I know the discussions that go on and how numbers are made.

And so it is with society at large: all public enterprise leads to inefficiency and intrusiveness, but all private enterprise leads to exploitation and other negative externalities, such as monopolistic oligarchies, predatory lending, insider trading, underage labor, and bypassed safety standards (Toyota?). So most intellectually-minded people recognize that there is a balance that must be achieved between the two; a capitalistic base with a minimal level of oversight. Now, reasonable people can disagree about what constitutes "minimal", but it's generally the less reasonable who will argue that is must be all one or all the other.

And, I might add, it doesn't make one look intelligent to throw up straw man arguments and twist things into sarcastic, extremist examples (like "needing permission to make this post", blah blah). The salient point here is much broader than just nitpicking at admitted inadequacies with the FCC or the FDA.

come at me bro

waste of time. I just wrote a bunch of stuff that you will not accept, and I will not get these minutes back.

[res0nat0r]

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Very good post Miro! Much better than I could write, and also yup about those private pharma comments

[CircleGuy]

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About as many as have been saved because side effects of medications were independently studied and documented and because risky medical components were inspected and identified - like tainted Heparin from China.

if my memory serves me correctly, don't foreigners covet the US's prescription drugs? there was an article once that talked about how American drugs are big business on the international black market. i assume the reason might be because the FDA is doing something right in making sure that certain drugs are safe to dispense but also causing them to be expensive. on the flip side, who is to say that the FDA is always right as a regulating body?