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  • Frankiee
    Getting Somewhere
    • Nov 2009
    • 245

    Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

    a very nice way to bring democracy...

    short:
    [YOUTUBE] [/YOUTUBE]

    long:
    [YOUTUBE] [/YOUTUBE]

    Overview
    WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.

    Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.

    The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.

    After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement".

    Consequently, WikiLeaks has released the classified Rules of Engagement for 2006, 2007 and 2008, revealing these rules before, during, and after the killings.

    WikiLeaks has released both the original 38 minutes video and a shorter version with an initial analysis. Subtitles have been added to both versions from the radio transmissions.

    WikiLeaks obtained this video as well as supporting documents from a number of military whistleblowers. WikiLeaks goes to great lengths to verify the authenticity of the information it receives. We have analyzed the information about this incident from a variety of source material. We have spoken to witnesses and journalists directly involved in the incident.

    WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.
  • res0nat0r
    Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
    • May 2006
    • 14475

    #2
    Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

    That is pretty shitty. Wikileaks has been talking about releasing this for a while now. They have been investigated by a few a few US and non US gov't agencies lately trying to to find out who is leaking military and other information to them. Good luck to them that is not a fight I'd like to be involved in, but they have a lot of good information on their site.

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    • runningman
      Playa I'm a Sooth Saya
      • Jun 2004
      • 5995

      #3
      Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

      what fight would you get involved in..

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      • toasty
        Sir Toastiness
        • Jun 2004
        • 6585

        #4
        Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

        ^^troll

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        • toasty
          Sir Toastiness
          • Jun 2004
          • 6585

          #5
          Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

          Originally posted by Frankiee
          WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff. ...
          That's pretty fucked up -- thanks for passing this along.

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          • res0nat0r
            Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
            • May 2006
            • 14475

            #6
            Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

            Check out the links on their site about the CIA checking them out as they are trying everything they can to find out who leaked this. I'd be pretty uneasy if I was the main guy who runs this site. Yikes.

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            • res0nat0r
              Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
              • May 2006
              • 14475

              #7
              Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

              Originally posted by runningman
              what fight would you get involved in..
              I'm about as active as you are. Talking shit on a internet message board.

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              • runningman
                Playa I'm a Sooth Saya
                • Jun 2004
                • 5995

                #8
                Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                My MP knows who I am. Does your congressman?

                Why don't you email him now, telling how disgusted you are of thigs like this happening in the name of Freedom.

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                • Dzone
                  Platinum Poster
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 1978

                  #9
                  Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                  Saw this one the news here tonight !! it basicly summerize the US democracy in the ME
                  This Vedio give ppl good reason to blow themself up to kill americans ?!
                  Last edited by Dzone; April 6, 2010, 01:47:57 AM.
                  ^^What dosen't Kill you make you stronger ^^

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                  • Mr.Big
                    Platinum Poster
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 1390

                    #10
                    Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                    Thats not cool

                    I feel sorry for those apache pilots pulling the trigger on a daily basis. How fucked up can ya be joking just after wiping out 10 plus people. That case seems extreme though, never seen a vid like that before and i have seen alot of Apache pov cams wiping out insurgents..

                    I think there is nothing to be gained from leaking a video like that.. Just adds fuel to the fire of anti-american/allied forces hatred. Pure propaganda porn for the islamic extremists.
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                    Pimps up Hoes down.

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                    • floridaorange
                      I'm merely a humble butler
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 29116

                      #11
                      Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                      side note: my colleague was the engineer that designed the casing for the camera on this helicopter

                      It was fun while it lasted...

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                      • runningman
                        Playa I'm a Sooth Saya
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 5995

                        #12
                        Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                        Originally posted by Mr.Big
                        Thats not cool

                        I feel sorry for those apache pilots pulling the trigger on a daily basis. How fucked up can ya be joking just after wiping out 10 plus people. That case seems extreme though, never seen a vid like that before and i have seen alot of Apache pov cams wiping out insurgents..

                        I think there is nothing to be gained from leaking a video like that.. Just adds fuel to the fire of anti-american/allied forces hatred. Pure propaganda porn for the islamic extremists.
                        I was wondering that myself. It still sucks though how the guy could basically be masterbating to the idea of killing 12 people.

                        I mean if someone tried to break inot my house or harm my family I am all pro defending yourself. But to go to a war like this I'm not sure I would want to sell my soul over this cause.

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                        • dig72
                          Gold Gabber
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 882

                          #13
                          Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                          Originally posted by Mr.Big
                          I feel sorry for those apache pilots pulling the trigger on a daily basis. How fucked up can ya be joking just after wiping out 10 plus people.
                          Save your sorries for the innocent Iraqi men, woman and children. They have no choice and never asked to be murdered by American "soldiers".

                          That case seems extreme though, never seen a vid like that before and i have seen alot of Apache pov cams wiping out insurgents..
                          It's not extreme nor uncommon at all. Iraqi resistance, Iraqi civilians are being killed by American "soldiers" all the time.

                          Who do you think the Americans are killing?

                          I think there is nothing to be gained from leaking a video like that.. Just adds fuel to the fire of anti-american/allied forces hatred
                          Out of mind out of sight.

                          Pure propaganda porn for the islamic extremists
                          FOX news anyone?
                          “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
                          Marcus Tullius Cicero

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                          • Dzone
                            Platinum Poster
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1978

                            #14
                            Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                            Originally posted by Mr.Big
                            Thats not cool

                            I feel sorry for those apache pilots pulling the trigger on a daily basis.
                            Fucking hell !! this is the most fucked up thing i heard in a long time...you feel sorry for cunts that play vedio games with ppl lifes and no sorry for the ppl who was killed !!

                            Also, if the same happned lets say in your country, and some cunts killed your own ppl, wouldnt you want te world to know what is happneing in the name of Freedom and democrocy !!

                            Fuckin Joke
                            ^^What dosen't Kill you make you stronger ^^

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                            • fyrestarter
                              Gold Gabber
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 527

                              #15
                              Re: Video-US Apache helicopter killing civilians and journalists

                              From what I could see, there did seem to be some weapons in the hands of the civilians. The camera did look like an rpg. Neither of us were there so we can't say what the soldiers saw exactly or how things appeared to them. On top of that, when the apache circled it did seem that the photographer came out from behind a corner to take a picture and then hid behind it again. Add that to the many insurgents who dress and appear as civilians and then end up killing US soldiers, then you can see why they would look to open fire. How many soldiers have been killed by deceiving tactics? We don't see those videos. Just as the soldiers know that they are in a dangerous war zone and anything can happen, so do (or should) the reporters.
                              Now the van... If you're driving a van with passengers and kids in an area that you already know to be dangerous and come upon a spot where there was recent gun fire, blood, and bodies everywhere, do you really stop? The apaches were waiting for a convoy of brads to come and check the victims.

                              Neither of those things excuse however the taunting, the rejoicing, and the "video game" like behavior of the soldiers. But until I've been in a war, engaged in gruesome firefights, and seen some of those things they have seen, I can't explain it. Some come out ok, some come out fucked up, some dont come up at all.

                              IMO, most of the blame lies with the commanding officers and the leaders.
                              I wonder if this new healthcare thing covers my pre-existing condition: AWESOMENESS.

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