Norman Finkelstein

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

Jesus Christ guys they used a ONE TON BOMB and dropped it in a neighbourhood.. not to mention the use of a banned substance like white phosphorous that burns the person alive.. You are going to compare that to guys wearing a vest in a cafe??

Also when was the last suicide attack??

[res0nat0r]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

oh, they just kill LESS innocent people. Thats ok then.

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

so let me get this straight. Hamas or hezbollah kill say 10 jews in an attack. Does that give Israel the right to kill how many then?? 100,1000,10000??? I just want to know the ratio.

Let's not forget that Damascus and Gaza wanted to settle with a peace process with the 1967 border agreement.

[res0nat0r]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

How about both sides stop killing each other? Seems like a decent idea.

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

ya and Israel pull out of it's settlements.. agreed 1000%

[88Mariner]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

^ those settlements....those are the ones on the land Israel successfully defended back in 1967, yeah/

[88Mariner]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

Runningman, your opinion: should we, in the alternative, provide hamas with equal military equipment in self-defense from this 'torture' and israeli 'terror'?

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

the biggest myth is that Hamas and Hezbollah want to drive Jews out of Israel.. They don't want to at all. They used to live side by side in peace until zionism came along. They just want their land back that the jews stole of the last 5 decades.

[res0nat0r]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

Since neither side is going to budge they should just stop killing each other and listen to Rodney King.

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

If by either side won't budge you mean "jews" then I agree. What is funny about Norman is that nobody wants to debate him because he is too good. I haven't seen him lose a debate yet because he has the truth on his side.

[88Mariner]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

the biggest myth is that Hamas and Hezbollah want to drive Jews out of Israel.. They don't want to at all. They used to live side by side in peace until zionism came along. They just want their land back that the jews stole of the last 5 decades.

And that's why there's no traction with you. You claim that fifty years ago, jews 'stole' land.

It's EPIC that in one sentence, you say Hamas and Hezbollah don't want to drive the jews out of israel, and in the second sentence, assert that 'all they want is their land back."

Entertain me for a moment. How are you going to give land back to hezbollah and hamas w/o driving jews out of israel. Just...just humor me for a moment.


A second question: aside from the fact that israel has given back like 90% of the land it won during war, what is your basis for eliminating the national of israel and returning the palestinians back to their nomadic region?

(btw, not that you care, but the mission statement for Hamas is to eliminate israel and all jews within, and make it an islamic capital until judgment day).

[davetlv]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

As runningman is mentioning both Hamas and Hezbollah, I wonder whether he could explain where and how Israel is occupying Lebanon?

Also maybe he could explain the second paragraph of Hamas's charter that states:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

Now could he offer us any evidence that Hamas has offered a permanent peace treaty with Israel - now dont get confused between a Peace Treaty and a Hudna!

Also, maybe he could explain why after UNSCR 1701, which brought an end to the Hezbollah initiated war of 2006, why and how the international community can still allow Hezbollah to re-arm with Syrian and Iranian assistance in complete contravention to the resolution?

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

I would love to educate you


Hamas

Founded in 1987

Hezbollah

Founded in 1982

Zionism

First used in 1890 but really took root in 1917



You see every action has a reaction. The Zionists started taking land away from the pals because of so called "self-determination" and groups were formed in the later half of the 20th century to combat that takeover. The Jews apparently are allowed this self determination but the groups fighting against it are not, and labelled terrorists.

You see Israel started this whole thing backed by the US. Zionism is the action - Hamas and Hezbollah are the reaction. Hamas and Hezbollah will not stop because they know that the Zionists won't stop.


Another lesson given to you by Runningman

[88Mariner]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

What a shit lesson. I want my money back.

What claim to the land do they have? Even if you could possibly make one up, you neglect to recognize that uh, usually when you win wars, you take the land you have won. (But even still, Israel has given much of that land back to pacify the whiners).

And so yes, a nation, which exists, like Israel, has a right to self defense from outside aggression. I'm not sure how you can possibly extend that to the palestinians who didnt' exist as a 'people' until well after 1967.

So you're saying that that the people who now comprise the group we now call 'palestinians' have a claim over lands not only lost in war, but land granted to the israelis by its original landlord? And that gives them a right to be aggressors??? They're not acting in self defense here....there acting in offense.

[runningman]

Re: Norman Finkelstein

Mariner on this topic you are completely upside down. You should listen to Normans debates to get a better understanding.