Spain Approves Gay Marriage

[cosmo]

MADRID, January 3, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Spain's Socialist-led cabinet approved a same-sex "marriage" bill Friday, moving the largely Catholic country one step closer to its full legalization.

The measure would enshrine rights to "married" same-sex couples normally reserved for heterosexual spouses, such as the adoption of children, pension benefits and inheritance rights.

Socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, besides pushing to legalize same-sex "marriage," has already legalized embryonic stem cell research, while also proposing easier access to abortion.

Zapatero's government has also proposed eliminating mandatory Christian religion classes, while at the same time introducing courses on Muslim religion into high school curricula.

[Jenks]

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runningman is really going to throw a fit over this.

[Marimba]

go ask for his hand!!!

[qwerty2222]

i dont agree with "same-sex"marriage, its enough that gay people are tolerated
whatever science would say about gay relations i dont think religion agrees on this
its simply not natural

[thesightless]

time to piss off all the christians around there...

anyone find it slightly ironic that this is all based on equal rights, but yet is stepping all over the rights of jewish and christian people to protect one of thier holiest sacrements and keep it sacred. one small group takes something away from a larger group(well realistically, the more devote followers)

[Jenks]

i dont agree with "same-sex"marriage, its enough that gay people are tolerated
whatever science would say about gay relations i dont think religion agrees on this
its simply not natural

closet playgirl reader imo.

[thesightless]

i know its a touchy topic. but while i am all for the equal rights and recognition of gay couples, i kinda dont wanna see em grab the title or "marriage". marriage developed as a religious sacrement, first under the anceint hebrew texts and furthur into the christian relgions. it stinks that something they believe is sacred and protected is being infringed upon b/c of the beleifs of the civil rights activists.

one more thing, on a more personal note, and i even find it sad for myself, is that i don't think, at least at this point in time with the social climates, that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children, and i say this only b/c i went to school with a kid who had 2 dads and god he was picked on so bad. its tough on the kid. they deserve a chance to at least have a healthy social life and develope the social skills. i mean i admit i very well could be wrong, but i saw this for a long time, almost 12 years actually, and that kid grew up being an outcast b/c his dad was gay.

[qwerty2222]

i don't think, at least at this point in time with the social climates, that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children, and i say this only b/c i went to school with a kid who had 2 dads and god he was picked on so bad. its tough on the kid. they deserve a chance to at least have a healthy social life and develope the social skills. i mean i admit i very well could be wrong, but i saw this for a long time, almost 12 years actually, and that kid grew up being an outcast b/c his dad was gay.

dont you think that's a little bit shalow
you dont agree with gay couples adopting children because that kid could become an outcast
how about that couple's feelings on growing a children
and do you think that kid has more chances growing in a social institute than along with pople who really care for him?

[rubyraks]

time to piss off all the christians around there...

anyone find it slightly ironic that this is all based on equal rights, but yet is stepping all over the rights of jewish and christian people to protect one of thier holiest sacrements and keep it sacred. one small group takes something away from a larger group(well realistically, the more devote followers)

are you suggesting that the "small group" is gays and they may be encroaching on "the rights of jewish and christian people"?

[thefncrow]

i know its a touchy topic. but while i am all for the equal rights and recognition of gay couples, i kinda dont wanna see em grab the title or "marriage". marriage developed as a religious sacrement, first under the anceint hebrew texts and furthur into the christian relgions. it stinks that something they believe is sacred and protected is being infringed upon b/c of the beleifs of the civil rights activists.

one more thing, on a more personal note, and i even find it sad for myself, is that i don't think, at least at this point in time with the social climates, that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children, and i say this only b/c i went to school with a kid who had 2 dads and god he was picked on so bad. its tough on the kid. they deserve a chance to at least have a healthy social life and develope the social skills. i mean i admit i very well could be wrong, but i saw this for a long time, almost 12 years actually, and that kid grew up being an outcast b/c his dad was gay.

The issue is that Christians and Jews don't get to control marriage anymore, because its been co-opted by the government. If they want to retain control of what marriage is, they must divorce it entirely from the government. If gay people get "civil unions" and straight people get "marriages", that's "separate but equal", which is, as it was put in Brown v. Board, patently false, because separate makes them inherently unequal. If the religious folks want their tradition back, they must take it away from the government, because the government is not allowed to discriminate in the same manner as private organizations.

Studies by the APA[http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html] show that children raised by gay parents end up being roughly the same as children raised by straight parents. We don't let the reaction of bigots influence policy, because, if we did, then the bigots win. Its a laughable excuse to treat a minority part of the population as second-class citizens.

i dont agree with "same-sex"marriage, its enough that gay people are tolerated
whatever science would say about gay relations i dont think religion agrees on this
its simply not natural

i don't agree with fundy marriage, its enough that christanofascists are tolerated
whatever religion would say about fundy relations i dont think reality agrees on this
its simply not ethical

Wow, that's fun. I love turning groups of people into second-class citizens!

[Yao]

Glad to see you're having fun here, thefncrow...

I must say I agree with what you've said, and as a full-blooded liberal I can of course not be against gay marriage, but I'm not going to repeat myself.

See http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/...pic.php?t=8703 for my opinions on this...
The exclusive right to the term marriage is an interesting though I think...it may provide a solution. If 'governmental' marriage were to take on a new name, we wouldn't have to bitch over this word so much. Any opponents then would simply be discriminating against law imo.

[thesightless]

hey at least i admit that i feel sad / ashamed of both myself and this world that people cant simply just accept people. i always try to. but sometimes i find a few people that i would pay to have shipped out of town.

and regarding the children, i just felt terrible that the boy was chastized all his life for someone else's choices. it tough, but since i saw it firsthand for 12 years, i did develope an opinion, and hell i will admit it, when i was younger, even i made fun of him, but i grew up and realized that he was a normal kid with his own life and i was nice to him. however, too many dumb people cant see that and will never accept people like him. just look at all the KKK people in the south. how long has it been?....... :? tough world. just try to make your corner of it as good as you can.

[Mr.Big]

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runningman is really going to throw a fit over this.

Bhahah hes such a Fag... :P

[toasty]

and regarding the children, i just felt terrible that the boy was chastized all his life for someone else's choices. it tough, but since i saw it firsthand for 12 years, i did develope an opinion, and hell i will admit it, when i was younger, even i made fun of him, but i grew up and realized that he was a normal kid with his own life and i was nice to him. however, too many dumb people cant see that and will never accept people like him. just look at all the KKK people in the south. how long has it been?

I see what you're saying here, but I wonder if this would be the same now as it was when you were in school. There has been a lot of change in the perception of homosexuals in this country over the last decade. I really don't know that it would be as big a deal as it was in years past. The younger generations in particular, who have been brought up in a society where someone's status as a gay person in the pop culture world barely draws a blink anymore, is more accepting than prior generations, I would suspect.

[thesightless]

TOASTY, i think its even worse. and i am from ultra liberal NYC. i could honestly tell you that if a little kid from any neighborhood in the metro area admitted to it, his classmates would not only make fun of it, they would probably phsically hurt him. i have seen it from a few techers i know. they actually had to make a highschool solely for the gay students becausse of the physical and mental harrassment and there were, and still are, many many protests about that.

i think , right now, it is even worse because of how much of a stink has been made over gay rights. there has been such a battle over the past years, many people have been over exposed to it, and developed opinions a lot stronger than before. with this, there are a lot more stright people than gay, and that also affects the opinions. our law firm lost in court to have one of our clients be able to claim his gay lover(b4 marriage recognition) as a dependent, because he was out of work for some time and the guy supported him. i have seen both sides and realize how far off we are from true equal rights.

the main argument is that the more religious christians and jews do not want theier sacrement tainted by something thier religion condems. and i respect that. you know, it really comes down to a matter of wording. marriage began as a religious right, not a civil liberty. i understand and respect that. :?