Spain Approves Gay Marriage

[toasty]

You're getting the two(segregation & gay marriage) completely mixed up. At the time, of course, blacks weren't allowed to do certain things, I will give you that. I agree that blacks were treated unfairly, BUT, that is wholly different than letting gay people marry, for the fact that gay marriage rights do not exist at this time, in contrast to the 50's and 60's, when blacks were allowed by law to attend the same school as whites, they were just intimidated.

No, I'm really not, but that isn't the point. Let me ask it this way: was early 1900's segregation OK at the time it was going on because it was legal?

If national legislation were explicitly passed which allowed gay marriage, would you have a problem with a judge who refused to marry them? Would such a judge be an "activist judge?"

[cosmo]

I went digging for this article to go back and edit a previous post with the info, but since I don't expect people to re-read posts they've already read looking for edits, here it is again.

http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html

The APA has concluded that, essentially, children raised by homosexual parents do not seem to differ from children raised by heterosexual parents. Those of you arguing that gay parents can harm children's development would be well served to read this study.

You mean the politically correct and biased APA?



Just another study.

[Civic_Zen]

I went digging for this article to go back and edit a previous post with the info, but since I don't expect people to re-read posts they've already read looking for edits, here it is again.

http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html

The APA has concluded that, essentially, children raised by homosexual parents do not seem to differ from children raised by heterosexual parents. Those of you arguing that gay parents can harm children's development would be well served to read this study.

You mean the politically correct and biased APA?



Just another study.

How do you conduct a study like that any way. Until I know someone personally, raised by two guys, and I talk to him face to face. I won't really form an opinion. All I'm saying is I would absolutely sue the shit out of the abortion agency that let two men adopt me. To each their own.

But then again, most of the time the parents are deeply involved in the choice of parents for the kid. So in a sense its OK, since it would take a certain kind of parent to let 2 gay men adopt their child. Its an absolute shame that some people are even aloud to have children.

[rubyraks]

not to add fuel to the fire here, but there atre studies that support both sides of the issue of children of gay parents. A very interesting article that I recently read that is quite on point was:

"Growing Up With Mom & Mom" By Susan Dominus
New York Times Magazine dated October 24, 2004

here's a link but it costs money to get the whole article (could be gotten much cheaper at any library): http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...archive:search

[Civic_Zen]

I don't mean to keep repeating myself, or continue the fire as ruby put it. But I think there are big differences between a girl getting raised by two women, or even a girl being raised by two men. To that of raising a boy. The only example I can relate to personally, and relatively, is two men raising a boy. I think its much different as well if two women were to raise a boy, because I think it could adversely affect him having no father figure.

For some reason, I find that it would be much easier for a girl to grow up with two moms, I think that would be the easiest of the four scenerios.

[Yao]

Wether you're right or not, I do think you have a point there. I think the story behind it is pretty psychological in the end, but I am pretty convinced that the is a sifnificant difference between boy and girls in relation to a father figure.

For men it is important, for women maybe less...at least that's how I think about it.

[the sun the sea]

Re: Spain Approves Gay Marriage

although i'm straight and with a few gay friends, i believe that gay marriage should be legal.

isn't this the land of the free, oh wait, but that's only if you're straight???? b.s.

i mean, is it really a sacred institution if j-lo can get married and divorced a gizallion times and brityney spears getting married in vegas b/c she was drunk and then later anulled the following week??

i think we're in the 21st century, so lets act like it.

anyways, enough ranting, just my 0.02.

[Yao]

Heheh, nice comparison...

If straight people are allowed to fuck up their marriages, so are gay people!

But hey, you got a point there: if marriage is such a holy institution, why are those people allowed to rape it?