Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

[DIDI]

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Piss poor response

[ace_dl]

Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

it means that 1) this was a sham humanitarian mission that was designed to provoke israel from its very inception, 2) aid is going to gaza every day and that amount far surpasses anything that could have been done through slow-moving ships, 3) the israeli's promised (and in fact kept the promise) to transport the aid on the ships through the traditional route on land whereas five of the ships agreed to this while the sixth one tried to run the blockade (as it had, so it seems, intended to do from the outset).

The big mistake is that they didn't use more effective crowd-dispersing methods (of course, had the used tear gas, almost every news agency on this planet would have blamed them for using chemical weapons against peaceful 'humanitarians'. The only time any violence occurred was on a ship that didn't acquiesce to the inspection of cargo (not an unreasonable request, nor one that is novel in context).

The amount of Humanitarian Aid arriving every day by Israel is 25% of the transfer of Goods prior to the Blockade.

[Shpira]

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S.S.D.D.
The US should stop exporting weapons and military technology, stop giving aid and the EU should stop giving preferential treatment for trade. . .than maybe in 20 years something will change.

[88Mariner]

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The amount of Humanitarian Aid arriving every day is 25% of the transfer of Goods prior to the Blockage.

Indeed. Why the palestinians care more about killing jews (cause let's face it, they don't really care about the christian or muslim israelis) than they do their own well-being is beyond me. They continue to reject peace negotiations because it is not 100% what they want, and they continue to act in a violent manner towards Israel. If a group elects a violent faction to represent them, of which said faction intends to destroy an entire country and the dominant religious group therein (according to its charter), I find it surprising that they're sending anything to them at all. A lot of Israelis want the Palestinians to grow the fuck up. Fat chance that will ever happen.

For the record, I'm amused that everyone points at Israel and conveniently forgets that Egypt could do something to but chooses not to. (although I think I recall reading a report that the FINALLY let students in Gaza pass through into Egypt, but for how long the gates remain open I'm not sure).

[zigh0]

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If the surrounding Arab countries truly cared about the Palestinians, they would have integrated them into their countries. .

is that ur opinion?do u think maybe Egypt could`ve given them Sinai to live on our shores & leave their country to the zionist imperialistic country aka Israel?!!& who said Palestine didnt exist before?i say Israel didnt exist before..just the stupid Balfour Declaration that gave them that piece of land,,thats more obvious...

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/The%20Balfour%20Declaration%20and%20its%20consequences.html

Muslims,Christians & Jews can live together in any land,,,we`re not talking about Jews in here,we`re just talking about zionism! so Dave,keep supporting ur country in killing ppl & taking their lands,,that fight that will never end till the end of the world..
As for my stupid country(Egypt) actions,i say any action taken by our government doesnt really reflect what the ppl in here think...its just the stupid politicians who would love to stay in their positions till they die(Mubarak is our great example for that,lol).....

You are totally missing the point. There shouldn't be a blockade. Israel is a nuclear power defending itself against people basically throwing rocks ???

And here we go again, anyone that dares disagree is a racist anti semite

DIDI you`re just into the right track...love ur opinions!

[zigh0]

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Indeed. Why the palestinians care more about killing jews (cause let's face it, they don't really care about the christian or muslim israelis) than they do their own well-being is beyond me. They continue to reject peace negotiations because it is not 100% what they want, and they continue to act in a violent manner towards Israel. If a group elects a violent faction to represent them, of which said faction intends to destroy an entire country and the dominant religious group therein (according to its charter), I find it surprising that they're sending anything to them at all. A lot of Israelis want the Palestinians to grow the fuck up. Fat chance that will ever happen.

For the record, I'm amused that everyone points at Israel and conveniently forgets that Egypt could do something to but chooses not to. (although I think I recall reading a report that the FINALLY let students in Gaza pass through into Egypt, but for how long the gates remain open I'm not sure).

mmmmmmm....dude,u need to get religion outta politics,,Palestinians are not targeting Jews,they`re targeting Israel which has occupied their land..so if Israel was another Muslim country & it stole their land they would be doing the same...thats why they cant reach an agreement..coz they really want everything that belonged to them one day..i think nobody`s here is gonna agree on anything here too ,,everyone chooses his beliefs.& chooses his side & stand for it & defend it...Israel has its opinions,we have our opinions,,,u guys from out of the middle east have a third opinion...so let`s just see what politicians will have to do!

[davetlv]

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Dave,keep supporting ur country in killing ppl & taking their lands,,

I see this is how things now are, instead of actually looking at any of my previous posts on the subject round here its automatically assumed that because I am Israeli I must be a radical right wing fanatic.

You're all fucking lunatics, read what I have written on the subject over the past 6 years and then show me where I support murder or land grabbing.

Stop making gross generalisations about who I am and what I believe and start reading all my posts for fucks sake.

[davetlv]

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Video footage taken from the Mavi Marmara shows the intent of these supposed peace activists.

Note the time stamp on the first part of the footage, and now tell me that people on that boat weren't after a fight! The footage comes from the ships own security cameras.

[88Mariner]

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/02/israel.palestinians.aid/

case in fucking point: Hamas stops flotilla aid delivered by Israel.

yeah. brilliant. just goes to show how much hamas gives a damn about their people. bunch of trolls, they.

israel doesn't even need to lift a finger to oppress the palestinians. Hamas is doing a wonderful job.


edit: come to think of it, I'm sure if that aid package contained guns, rockets, and grenades, they would have let it enter no problem.

[i!!ustrious]

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by vanity, was the "holy" land exasperated "holy"; ffs., it's fucking land brah, and belongs to no people's idealistic fanaticism, or expression, such as religion. this religious war is likened to a congregated group of (islamic v judaic etc.), old rivaled, hellbent, weak-integrated souls, devout on defending - a to each their own - cry/plight petition(s) to despoiled a concurrence, and exploit and obscure it. blah, blah, blah, zee flotilla is our tortilla blah, blah, blah. let's fight!

opps, i lost my depth perception; guess my work is only worthwhile in zee gimped political arena now. what a bunch of saps.

[Kiff]

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You are totally missing the point. There shouldn't be a blockade. Israel is a nuclear power defending itself against people basically throwing rocks ???

Actually, the point you are missing is that the whole reason of doing away with the blockade (which is the main mantra of Hammas and its supporters) is so that weapons can be brought into Gaza, so that the violence can be perpetuated.

And here we go again, anyone that dares disagree is a racist anti semite

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, it's the fact that the International communities reaction to this incident has very strong anti-semetic tones. Had this happened somewhere like North Korea or China, this would hardly be an issue. The UN and international community tends to be very selective with these incidents. I don't recall any international or UN outrage at the recent murder of the five humanitarian aid workers in Pakistan at the hands of Muslims (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ion-aid-attack) . If there was any consistency in international/UN reactions to these types of incidents, then the antisemetic argument would be out the window, but the UN and International community could care less about these other incidents.

i don' t even know what race/religion most of the people I know are. And I really don't care , my judgement is purely on what I see happening.

Then you must see this incident for what it is. What humanitarian aid group sets out weapons in preparation of being boarded for an inspection? None. What humanitarian aid group goes into an area with the intent to initiate violence? None. Humanitarian Aid groups (ironically mandated by the UN) are to be neutral. This group was anything but. They are nothing but Hammas members and supporters that went in disguised as aid workers (isn't that also a violation of International Law?). Thanks to the actions of these fanatics, it will now be even harder to get aid into Gaza, which is very depressing. I suppose that point is also lost to the International community (anyway, if the International community and UN wanted any real credibility, then the people responsible for this mess should be held accountable, both Israeli commanders and organizers of this "humanitarian aid" mission). The Israeli government offered a very reasonable and peaceful solution to this, but it was ignored by this group, because they wanted violence. You see, I was quick to condemn Israel at first, thinking that this was an unprovoked attack on aid workers, but after seeing the real story, I can't say that Israel should be condemned, especially after discovering the motives of this "humanitarian aid" group (which in reality this was no humanitarian aid group, so the UN should just get off of that horse and look at the real evidence).

[DIDI]

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You know what you guys?? No matter how much propaganda you try to spread , it isn't stopping us from seeing what is happening. These examples you put up would be funny if they weren't so sad .

Btw Kiff your effort to paint yourself yourself as balanced in your initial post is a total failure.

Perhaps we should deal with the title of this thread rather than these constant deflections.

[88Mariner]

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You know what you guys?? No matter how much propaganda you try to spread , it isn't stopping us from seeing what is happening. These examples you put up would be funny if they weren't so sad .

Btw Kiff your effort to paint yourself yourself as balanced in your initial post is a total failure.

Perhaps we should deal with the title of this thread rather than these constant deflections.

Of course. Ignore facts. It's the best way to avoid being butthurt.

[Kiff]

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You know what you guys?? No matter how much propaganda you try to spread , it isn't stopping us from seeing what is happening. These examples you put up would be funny if they weren't so sad .

As Mariner88 rightly pointed out, it's about facts, not propaganda. Facts are not propaganda. Likewise, it could be said that anyone condemning the IDF for it's reaction to the violent attack by this "humanitarian aid" group is buying into Hammas propaganda. BTW there is nothing funny about the International community/UN ignoring other crimes. You are right that it is sad that this is how the International community/UN operates.

Btw Kiff your effort to paint yourself yourself as balanced in your initial post is a total failure.

There was no attempt at being balanced. I just had a change of viewpoint based on the facts, not Al-Jazeera (who claimed 20 dead, which wasn't true, very shoddy journalism) or UN anti-semetic propaganda.

Perhaps we should deal with the title of this thread rather than these constant deflections.

So far, the only "deflections" that I am seeing is that many are calling facts propaganda.

[dig72]

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They just don't get it do they.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897711,00.html