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  • 88Mariner
    My dick is smaller
    • Nov 2006
    • 7128

    #76
    Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

    Originally posted by bobjuice
    Mark Steel: Of course, they were asking for it


    Wednesday, 2 June 2010

    It's time the Israeli government's PR team made the most of its talents, and became available for hire. Then whenever a nutcase marched into a shopping mall in somewhere like Wisconsin and gunned down a selection of passers-by, they could be on hand to tell the world's press "The gunman regrets the loss of life but did all he could to avoid violence." Then various governments would issue statements saying "All we know is a man went berserk with an AK 47, and next to him there's a pile of corpses, so until we know the facts we can't pass judgement on what took place."
    To strengthen their case the Israelis have released a photo of the weapons they found on board, (which amount to some knives and tools and wooden sticks) that the naive might think you'd expect to find on any ship, but the more astute will recognise as exactly what you'd carry if you were planning to defeat the Israeli army. It's an armoury smaller than you'd find in the average toolshed in a garden in Cirencester, which goes to show the Israelis had better destroy Cirencester quickly as an essential act of self-defence.

    It's a shame they weren't more imaginative, as they could have said "We also discovered a deadly barometer, a ship's compass, which could not only be frisbeed at someone's head but even had markings to help the assailant know which direction he was throwing it, and a set of binoculars that could easily be converted into a ray-gun."
    That would be as logical as the statement from the Israeli PM's spokesman – "We made every possible effort to avoid this incident." Because the one tiny thing they forgot to do to avoid this incident was not send in armed militia from helicopters in the middle of the night and shoot people. I must be a natural at this sort of technique because I often go all day without climbing off a helicopter and shooting people, and I'm not even making every possible effort. Politicians and commentators worldwide repeat a version of this line. They're aware a nation has sent its militia to confront people carrying provisions for the desperate, in the process shooting several of them dead, and yet they angrily blame the dead ones. One typical headline yesterday read "Activists got what they wanted – confrontation." It's an attitude so deranged it deserves to be registered as a psychosis, something like "Reverse Slaughter Victim Confusion Syndrome".
    Israel and its supporters claim that Viva Palestina, made up of people who collect the donated food, cement and items for providing basic amenities such as toilets, and transport them to Gaza, wanted the violence all along. Because presumably they must have been thinking "Hezbollah couldn't beat them, but that's because unlike us they didn't have a ballcock and several boxes of plum tomatoes".
    One article told us the flotilla was full of "Thugs spoiling for a confrontation", and then accused them of being "Less about aid and more about PR. Indeed, on board was Swedish novelist Henning Mankell." So were they thugs or about PR? Did they have a thugs' section and a PR quarter, or did they all muck in, the novelist diverting the soldiers with his characterisation while the thugs attacked them with a lethal spirit level?
    But some defenders of Israel are so blind to what happens in front of them there's nothing at all they wouldn't jump to defend. Israel could blow up a cats home and within five minutes they'd be yelling "How do we know the cats weren't smuggling semtex in their fur for Hamas?"
    If this incident had been carried about by Iran, or anyone we were trying to portray as an enemy, so much condemnation would have been spewed out it would have created a vast cloud of outrage that airlines would be unable to fly through.
    But as it's Israel, most governments offer a few diplomatic words that blame no one, but accept the deaths are "regrettable". They might as well have picked any random word from the dictionary, so the news would tell us "William Hague described the deaths as 'hexagonal'", and a statement from the US senate said "It's all very confusing. In future let's hope they make every effort to avoid a similar incident."
    It's time the Israeli government's PR team made the most of its talents, and became available for hire. Then whenever a nutcase marched into a shopping mall in somewhere like Wisconsin and gunned down a selection of passers-by, they could be on hand to tell the world's press "The gunman regrets the loss of life


    how about you put a link up next time?

    And what a silly article it is. Divorce the facts of what the videos have shown from the potential of the weapon used, and then ignore the videos and focus solely on the small cache of weapons that IN ACTUALITY were used against the boarding team. "it's just a small armory" "maybe a lethal barometer". It doesn't matter what they used. They intended to kill that boarding team. And if they tried to use a lug wrench to crush a skull, that's a weapon. But, the author cries, presumably, "but lug wrenches are not intended to crush skulls, so it's not a weapon." And neither would a pick axe be used as a weapon...until it was used as a weapon.

    I'm amused that he cannot adequately defend the fact that 1) there has been an astute blockade for THREE YEARS now, 2) the boats were warned well before they came remotely near the israeli water territory, 3) they were offered FREE PASSAGE of all the aid they had brought so long as they brought it through customs (like EVERY OTHER COUNTRY HAS) and then proceeded to IGNORE that amicable request, 4) they were warned several times when they got closer that they needed to stop the engines as they had ignored the reasonable request to go to the appropriate port for inspection, 5) and then five of the ships stopped, while the SIXTH tried to run. I suppose that this was not enough to the author to 'avoid violence.'

    AND THEN, 6) the boarding team, thinking it was a group of peace activists, brought with them non-lethal paintball guns to control the situation which was ordered by their superiors in an effort to avoid any violence whatsoever, 7) but they were fortunate enough to have brought sidarms that remained holstered until shit really got real, and then for several minutes they STILL did not use those sidearms until it was ultimately the only available option to protect themselves from the top deck gang trying to kill them.

    But surely, Israel didn't do enough to avoid violence. I also LOL @ his pissy attitude towards the Israeli's dropping the team via helicopters. Presumably Israel has a teleport machine we don't know of? The activists indeed got what they wanted. Everything they did was one step closer to requiring violence to occur. Between the time they loaded the boat, and the time the first gunshot went off, they could have avoided this and acted like reasonable adults who "cared about getting aid to Hamas". But nobody is fooled by this. Which is why they have to make this seem like the Israeli's intended to kill everyone aboard from the very outset. Despite reality dictating the contrary position.

    I'm wondering if any of the remaining kool-aid drinkers would agree that a police officer being beaten in the middle of a melee should not ever resort to using his side-arm to protect him.

    Another wasted effort by another idiot leftist author.
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    • trick12
      Are you Kidding me??
      • Jul 2007
      • 4412

      #77
      Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

      Originally posted by 88Mariner
      And so which 'ways' of Israel would you change? To let the free importation of arms and weapons into gaza that will be used against the Israeli population? Would you prefer they turn a blind eye to hamas? Do tell of these changes you'd have them do. Because right now, Israel is playing a dangerous game where they're trying to act politically correct, and it's time and again bit them in the ass.

      Amusing, but pointless post on your behalf.
      in ways that they should get the hell outta this country, a country that was promissed to them many years ago but they did not take it at that time coz they were too scared to fight for it, and theyre still scared from their own shadow, like i said before, going to someone's house and claiming it your own is low, and if u dont see it then u are low too, you cant fool the world anymore there's only so much dirt u can hide under the rug before it comes to light...fyi arabs are semites too, so how can semites be anti-Semites?!!! i think ur attempts are worthless here, its obvious that the fight was planned from israel's side and just like any other brutal attempt they tried to cover it and make themselves look innocent, maybe u are a fool enough to believe it but most people are not, so ur attempts are the worthless here trying to defend a low standard killer
      Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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      • chunky
        Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
        • Jan 2006
        • 10569

        #78
        Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

        Originally posted by trick12
        a country that was promissed to them many years ago but they did not take it at that time coz they were too scared to fight for it,
        Who promised them this land? If I write a book saying I'm the Chosen one can I get some land.
        Originally posted by res0nat0r
        OK Lets All Stroke Ron Pauls Cock On 3!

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        • trick12
          Are you Kidding me??
          • Jul 2007
          • 4412

          #79
          Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

          Originally posted by chunky
          Who promised them this land? If I write a book saying I'm the Chosen one can I get some land.
          as per the holy books (Torah, Bible & Quran), im not trying to get into proof that these are godly books or not, but as per these books it states that this was their promised land, they were told to go capture it but even though with this fact in mind again this is done and past coz at the moment they were to scared to fight for it and they chose not to...and now theyre trying to get it back claiming that its their land...just like they said the men were there to fight and not to deliver the aids, just coz they had sticks on the ship, honestly u cant fool a 5 year old with that, but obviously some people here fell for it
          Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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          • 88Mariner
            My dick is smaller
            • Nov 2006
            • 7128

            #80
            Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

            Originally posted by trick12
            as per the holy books (Torah, Bible & Quran), im not trying to get into proof that these are godly books or not, but as per these books it states that this was their promised land, they were told to go capture it but even though with this fact in mind again this is done and past coz at the moment they were to scared to fight for it and they chose not to...and now theyre trying to get it back claiming that its their land...just like they said the men were there to fight and not to deliver the aids, just coz they had sticks on the ship, honestly u cant fool a 5 year old with that, but obviously some people here fell for it
            lol, let them deliver the aids.

            of course, whether they initially intended to fight or not is far removed from the fact that they did, and the fact that ultimately, it escalated the violence. indeed, how come nobody got injured on the five other boats? don't answer. just ignore.
            you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

            it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

            Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

            ----PEACE-----

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            • davetlv
              Platinum Poster
              • Jun 2004
              • 1205

              #81
              Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla



              Haven't they just.

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              • trick12
                Are you Kidding me??
                • Jul 2007
                • 4412

                #82
                Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                Originally posted by 88Mariner
                lol, let them deliver the aids.

                of course, whether they initially intended to fight or not is far removed from the fact that they did, and the fact that ultimately, it escalated the violence. indeed, how come nobody got injured on the five other boats? don't answer. just ignore.
                you haven't answered what i questioned you, btw i only ignore pointless questions...
                Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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                • PROG
                  Gold Gabber
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 624

                  #83
                  Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                  Originally posted by davetlv


                  Haven't they just.
                  i guess that was funny!! that goes to show what kind of people we are dealing with.

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                  • trick12
                    Are you Kidding me??
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 4412

                    #84
                    Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla



                    celebrating what?!!
                    Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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                    • davetlv
                      Platinum Poster
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 1205

                      #85
                      Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                      And for a moment there I thought this was meant to be a humanitarian convey.


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                      • davetlv
                        Platinum Poster
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1205

                        #86
                        Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                        Originally posted by trick12

                        celebrating what?!!
                        Considering that looks like a demonstration outside the Turkish Embassy in Tel Aviv I would assume the peaceful and non violent demonstration is against Turkeys funding of the terrorist organistion that staged the mass suicide, the IHH.

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                        • dig72
                          Gold Gabber
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 882

                          #87
                          Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                          Originally posted by 88Mariner
                          it's too easy to hide veiled anti-semitism under the rug of anti-zionism. only a fool would believe otherwise. Things are not going well for them because batshit anti-semites (oh, you didn't hear about them chanting the anti-jew songs yet?), and the other anti-property right socialists across this planet emote their views, which is nothing that can be met with a proper response. Since they're using their feelings as validation of what is real, then there is no way to reason with them.
                          Yes, yes batshit crazy anti semite is anyone who critises israel. It's getting boring and doesn't wok anymore. But go ahead continue on if it makes you feel good.

                          Turkey? Turkey was in good graces with Israel until they engaged in a deal with Iran very recently to import enriched uranium. Oh, and as Iv'e said about a dozen times now, Erdy wants his muslim vote. And the best way to appease muslims in the mideast is to trash talk israel.
                          Yes that's right, it's Turkeys own doing and they deserve to have their ships attacked and citizens murdered by the "idf", because of sold enriched Uranium. Israel have just declared war on Turkey, so hooray for israel.

                          What is this serious pay back you talk of? You intend to exterminate the arabs, jews, and christians in Israel? Go on, I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this.
                          I don't intend on doing anything except express my opinion on this issue. You want my reasoning as to why some of israels past and present enemies want her destroyed? Is it really that hard to understand why?

                          I'm not going there, so figure it out yourself.

                          Israel is trouble to people who believe it has no right to exist. So of course you, and other retards think the best thing to do is to eliminate it outright. This is no different than the soundbytes you hear from Hamas. Hezbollah. et al, ad nauseum. It's really tiring
                          Batshit anti semites, retards, whatever it's all been said before and has lost all it's sting. Continue on if you will.

                          The majority of Palestinians and their leaders have expressed the will to live side by side in peace with israel and this is the most important thing. If the Palestinians and Israelis agree to whatever goal that has been set out, then I'm 100% sure that the rest of the world will support every effort to achieve it. All other issues will be resolved through this process.

                          Nobody really want's to see israel destroyed, it would be a tradgedy to mankind, but the warning signs are there and israel must make changes or else.

                          And so which 'ways' of Israel would you change? To let the free importation of arms and weapons into gaza that will be used against the Israeli population? Would you prefer they turn a blind eye to hamas? Do tell of these changes you'd have them do. Because right now, Israel is playing a dangerous game where they're trying to act politically correct, and it's time and again bit them in the ass.
                          israels political tricks and games are not working anymore and she will end up destroying herself. It's inevitable.

                          Israel needs to end the occupation and suffering of the palestinians. The occupation is the causing of the rot inside israel. She needs to work out was has to be done in regards to a 1 or 2 state solution. She needs to stop attacking/making threats against her neighbours.

                          These are things that need to happen as soon as possible. Prisoners and land are other issues that will be resolved in due cause.

                          Israel has no other choices, she has run out of them. Everything she does turns to shit and it all comes back to the occupation.

                          Amusing, but pointless post on your behalf.
                          Israel is on the road to self destruction and you think this is amusing?




                          Good read by Uri Avnery.

                          Last edited by dig72; June 3, 2010, 11:01:23 PM.
                          “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
                          Marcus Tullius Cicero

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                          • trick12
                            Are you Kidding me??
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 4412

                            #88
                            Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                            Originally posted by davetlv
                            Considering that looks like a demonstration outside the Turkish Embassy in Tel Aviv I would assume the peaceful and non violent demonstration is against Turkeys funding of the terrorist organistion that staged the mass suicide, the IHH.
                            off course off course, what peaceful creatures you are, this is getting ridiculously lame
                            Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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                            • davetlv
                              Platinum Poster
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 1205

                              #89
                              Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                              Facts are such an inconvenient thing for you aren't they!

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                              • trick12
                                Are you Kidding me??
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 4412

                                #90
                                Re: Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

                                theres a thin line between facts and BS
                                Life's pretty fast..blup..blup...We made it!!

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