The power of the Sun

[Kamal]

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[Kat]

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the observer effect fails outside the quantum world and it will have nothing to do with the collapse of the sun. red dwarfs (burnt out suns) are visible everywhere in the cosmos and our sun is no exception to its unpleasant future.

the observer effect has everything to do with it because we share the morphic field, which can be understood as a colective mind or colective observer effect, to simplify it to the extreme...

i am not trying to convince you of anything, i promise its like i would try to live my everyday life without time and space - cant do it lol but the fact reamins, its in our perception + whatever you try to find a proof for you will find it, so we can all be right at the same time so mind boggling

[trick12]

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^^^ i agree with you on the time and space part

[Haziel]

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Nice video

Have guys realized the resemblance of an atom to the solar system ? The Neutron ( the sun ) with electrons ( planets) spinning around in an orbit . Same thing with the Nucleus of any cell with their organeles . Which always brought me to deeply believe one of the Universal Principles..... " As above same as below " .

I see a logic in the Universe ..." The center " which is always the generator of life , the one that controls everything in any sense . With out the sun there wouldn't be any organic life, and even on a cloudy day not seeing the sun might bring the "blues" on some of us . The Incas would worship the Sun as their creator not being far from the truth if you look at it from a scientific point of view .

[Kat]

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the videos are cool but they are nothing but the probability of photons shaped into matter by information from the colective observer

[i!!ustrious]

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nice

in recollection, our sun is supposed to become a white dwarf after it's nukes are depleted. mmm diamonds. a neutron star would be epic though

[Kamal]

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Haziel is that your signature - lmfao can you edit it out dude?

[Haziel]

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Haziel is that your signature - lmfao can you edit it out dude?

done

also

Bill Withers says it better believe it !

[Kamal]

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the videos are cool but they are nothing but the probability of photons shaped into matter by information from the colective observer

can you explain this in simpler terms? how can an "observer" alter photons / light particles into a physical state of matter. the role of an observer in the quantum world is that the observer collapses the wave function of a particle being in many different places at the same time, down to only 2 probable conditions i.e. it's either there or it's not there. I'm not dismissing what you're saying, the quantum world is puzzling enough where a lot of weird things happen but I'm struggling to put what you're saying about the death of a star is nothing more than a quantum probability.

[i!!ustrious]

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yes, it's an established fact that when our sun bursts into a red giant, it'll consume the inner planets. also, interestingly enough: i heard it said, though, that some of the gaseous giants are actually not a part of our solar system, but are, rather, viziers, so to say.

[Kat]

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can you explain this in simpler terms? how can an "observer" alter photons / light particles into a physical state of matter. the role of an observer in the quantum world is that the observer collapses the wave function of a particle being in many different places at the same time, down to only 2 probable conditions i.e. it's either there or it's not there. I'm not dismissing what you're saying, the quantum world is puzzling enough where a lot of weird things happen but I'm struggling to put what you're saying about the death of a star into a quantum probability.

exactly, it collepses the wave function so from the point of our 5 senses where we use light to observe light we perceive it as matter or so we define it but its still photons, not a matter, a probability beyond our senses
i have to state here, that this is hard enough to explain in my language,... i believe we are saying the same thing tho

[Kamal]

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exactly, it collepses the wave function so from the point of our 5 senses where we use light to observe light we perceive it as matter or so we define it but its still photons, not a matter, a probability beyond our senses

that is a rather stretched out interpretation of the observer effect. the video below describes what an observer does in quantum level. we know for a fact that what happens the quantum world does not happen in the material world because the same experiment carried out in the material world will yield an entirely different result.

so to state that the heat death will not happen because of the observer effect is in my opinion, just too out there.
heck there are quantum physicists who confirm the death of the sun and they never ever related an observer effect to it.

[trick12]

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we as humans are limited to certain things and many things we view and see are not as what we think it is and it just presents to us in its final form as known to us (i.e light) and another example of this is that some of the stars we look at are not even there anymore and some of them had already been burnt and vanished yet we still see it as a shining star. its so interesting to hear that if a person was sitting on another planet looking with a telescope into earth they will be seeing the era of the french revolution.

[Kat]

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that is a rather stretched out interpretation of the observer effect. the video below describes what an observer does in quantum level. we know for a fact that what happens the quantum world does not happen in the material world because the same experiment carried out in the material world will yield an entirely different result.

so to state that the heat death will not happen because of the observer effect is in my opinion, just too out there.
heck there are quantum physicists who confirm the death of the sun and they never ever related an observer effect to it.

pretty much everything about quantum is a bit out there imo
and scientists are not stating anything as a fact but as a probability or most logical explanation the human mind can understand and thats like 4% of the truth
i have recently taken this seminar about quantum "stuff" and learned how to play with the probabilities in the morphic and morphogenetic fields, it was mind blowing and beyond weird to say the least. the most common effect from "playing" with photons was a collapse of a physical body, you literally fall down and go unconscious for a short time and in between things happen that are unexplainable with words, amazing.
and since that double slit experiment the quantum theory went much further, not dissmising it, but it gets more and more weird or out there, really tough to swollow sometimes, thats why you cannot reason it with the limited perception which is someting you just need to accept and dwell in experience, the describing alone limits the probabilities to almost a zero.

[Kat]

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its like scientists are stating as a fact that nothing can go faster than the speed of light but the trick is that they are using light to measure the speed of light and theres the limit, so you cant use the "only know instrument" to measure it but you can experience it and therefore cant state it as a fact bc you have no tool to do so, but they admit that they cant explain it, so there you go