To revive an old topic...

[thesightless]

space travel for everyone could easily be possible and very soon if they found a way to take the same nuclear power that powers submarines and found a way to keep it safe when travelling though the atmosphere and re-entry. IMHO at least.

[Yao]

Light DOES have a mass, and a friction coefficient, because it has a maximum speed. This fact is imo also backed up by the fact that light is made out of measurable particles, photons. Particle = mass, no matter how small it is.

So, how would we remove the speed limit other than by using enormous amounts of energy? I know there have been tests with antimatter that have show a great energetic potential, but they're not nearly capable of harnessing the particles or the energy...
And if you travel faster than light: will there even be light when you surpass it? Could you see the future, even if you were in it?

[thesightless]

the real question is
(ignoring all friction)
if you sitting at the tip of something moving at the speed of light, and then stood up, wouldn't you body's rising motion make you move faster than the speed of light,


PUT THAT IN YOUR HASH PIPE AND SMOKE IT

[Yao]

That would depend on the possibility of speeds exceeding that of light...

If it's impossible, you'd either be frozen or travelling just a bit below lightspeed to compensate. My guess..

[Kamal]

the real question is
(ignoring all friction)
if you sitting at the tip of something moving at the speed of light, and then stood up, wouldn't you body's rising motion make you move faster than the speed of light,


PUT THAT IN YOUR HASH PIPE AND SMOKE IT

no that wouldn't .... because you are moving at the speed of getting up on a stationary position that's travelling at the speed of light....

the earth is revoloving at 21,000 kp/hr, if you run a 100 mr. dash, that wont make your speed 21,000 kp/hr + your running speed...

same if the principal of the fly that's flying around in the car..... it's not flying at 60 m/hr

-e-

[demonAfro]

Yeah a total frame of reference issue. Get some Lorentz factors and time dilation in play (won't time have stopped at that point? doubt you would be moving much) and then I'd like to see you stand on top of something moving at the speed of light

[Yao]

But then there's still my other issue, and I'm REALLY curious to that: is there light beyond lightspeed?

[PsynceFiction[MS]]

But then there's still my other issue, and I'm REALLY curious to that: is there light beyond lightspeed?

No. Don't ask me why... but no.

-Psynce-

[Morgan]

1. Yes.
2. Yes,
3. Yes, Virgin are already offering deals for 2008.

[Kamal]

But then there's still my other issue, and I'm REALLY curious to that: is there light beyond lightspeed?

that's an EXTREMELY interesting question and my guess is no because if light cant reach there, there's no light, unless light has already passed through that area before....

-e-

[Yao]

But if the answer is no...no light is no seeing, and therefore no being?

So, if that was a given law of nature, then future would not exist, unless we could send light ahead of us. Which means it's not you that has to to travel first, but light. You'd have to stay a bit behind in order to actually see the future...

[Kamal]

But if the answer is no...no light is no seeing, and therefore no being?

So, if that was a given law of nature, then future would not exist, unless we could send light ahead of us. Which means it's not you that has to to travel first, but light. You'd have to stay a bit behind in order to actually see the future...

I dont think thats correct either, you dont need light for life to exist, you need water..... in the deepest parts of the deepest oceans on earth, there are creatures that live next to heating vents (from the core of the earth) which warm the waters around that area, there is absolutely NO LIGHT over there.... these creatures create their own light by lighting up their bodies (the aliens in the movie Abyss are based on such creatures)...... light never makes it to this depth, yet there is enormous amounts of undiscovered life down there

-e-

[Yao]

Dillemma....I know what you mean, but how am I going to explain what I mean...

uhm...if light is time (the NOW, so to say)...shit. Again.

Take time as a dark road, somewhere in the desert. Now imagine a car driving on the road with it's headlights on. Only light you can see in the whole place. The car is now. Now the road could be there, or could not be there, before and after the car. Suppose all the dark surroundings aren't there, like in the 'Langoliers', but then without the eaters: material presence isn't there before or after 'now'. The road only exists where the car touches it...

It's not about no light no being, it's about no time/light, no being. I don't see time like a series of strings, each representing a possibility, I look at it as empty space, to be filled with 'now' when it passes by.

How can something exist when time hasn't touched it yet? And furthermore: could time be regarded as an entity that can be manipulated?

U still with me...?

[Kamal]

are you refering to the expansion of the universe at the speed of light as opposed to the slowing down pieces from the big bang which are NOT travelling at the speed of light (i.e. earth) and so there's evolution on earth because of time ?

I cannot imagine how light on its own could create life ...... there would have to be a series of IF and THEN situations to support it....

-e-

[Yao]

No, it has nothing to do with all that.

The situation is there, a given fact. But that's what's supposed to be ahead of us, is not yet touched by time if you connect it to light speed, or any other speed for that matter. Because speed is a limited number (like the speed of light). In that case, future could only be possible when there's no limit on the speed of light.

For me, it also implies that time is not omnipresent, but only existent in the now and past.
Now look at it vertically: We're standing on the ground: present.
Under us is various layers of sand, with remains of what has been there before us. Above us, only air. Nothing. Are you getting what I'm trying to say now?

And to make it worse...what I'm saying is: there's no layers under us. History is what we take with us in our minds, it's not a physical presence beneath our feet. It's in our heads, it's written in books. But it's not there anymore.