To revive an old topic...

[PsynceFiction[MS]]

We make our own future...

-Psynce-

[Kamal]

yao I'm 2 cups of coffee down and you're really twisting me up on a tuesday bro

ok I'm sorta getting what you're saying and correct me if I'm wrong.... you're refering to the fact that if we are living the present and the present turns into the past, to be able to reach a point in the future, light would have to have travelled faster than itself to create a future which we would eventually live but since its the present that's going on, we're living at the edges of time ?

-e-

[PsynceFiction[MS]]

^^ Yes, I think he means that we're living at the edges of time. I think we make time "bigger" as we're evolving in the future. Time goes with us. Not us with time.

-Psynce-

[Kamal]

]^^ Yes, I think he means that we're living at the edges of time. I think we make time "bigger" as we're evolving in the future. Time goes with us. Not us with time.

-Psynce-

I doubt Time goes with us, in a philosophical sense, Time will go with us and when we die, time stands still for us but in a realistic sense, we follow time because if time stands still, we will not age....

-e-

[Yao]

]^^ Yes, I think he means that we're living at the edges of time. I think we make time "bigger" as we're evolving in the future. Time goes with us. Not us with time.

-Psynce-

Exactly!

But...time and our existence our intertwined (correct expression?). We are one.

[PsynceFiction[MS]]

So you're saying that time is individual.

-Psynce-

[Yao]

Collective as well as individual.

Einstein said is was relative, but until now, that is only possible in our minds. In reality, maybe, maybe not.

[Kamal]

@ Yao - read my post above your's please

@ Psynce - Time for me is a slowdown in the speed of light. Anything that time touches faces the byproducts of time i.e. aging. So whether we live or we dont live, Time will go on as it has been for 13.5 billion years (age of the universe)

but from a psychological perspective, Time is what we embed of the past in our memories but we can dig up the proof of time (as has been evident on earth through archeology)

so I cant see how our existence on earth has manifested as time

-e-

[PsynceFiction[MS]]

I know I'm WASTING MY TIME. :P

-Psynce-

[Yao]

-e- that's a strong reasoning...

But, what was there 13.5 billion years ago? did time come into existence, or was it already there? If the first is the case, time is a byproduct of the big bang, and can have variable speeds, because the universe is expanding faster or slower, one of the two.

About your post before mine: doesn't that back up my statement about time being collective as well as individual?

[Kamal]

But, what was there 13.5 billion years ago? did time come into existence, or was it already there? If the first is the case, time is a byproduct of the big bang, and can have variable speeds, because the universe is expanding faster or slower, one of the two.

those are the mysteries of the universe, we dont know what was there 13.5 billion years ago, just like we dont know what the universe is expanding into..... but the general consensus (if I remember the article by Michio Kaku) is that anti - matter (what we think of as nothing) is extremely unstable on its own.... kinda like the yin & yang (for there to be light, there has to be dark, for good there is evil, for matter to exist, there has to be anti-matter) so 13.5 billion years ago, when there was NOTHING, there was only anti-matter, which according to kaku is extremely unstable element on its own (fyi, small amounts of anti-matter have been produced in laboratories in the US) .....

consequently this unstable element sets of a chain reaction of events and we have the big bang. As the universe starts expanding at the speed of light (on the outer edges) some of the inner particles start slowing down instantly and as they too expand, we started experiencing a cooling (temperature-wise) and planets formed and yada yada yada....

can there be a variable in the speed of time ? I dont know and highly doubt it.... because time for me is related to a "speed" of something and that something is fixed.... and the reason I believe it is "fixed" is because why does 1 second take 1 second to pass and NOT 3 seconds.... speed is a variable but the variable you use to designate speed is fixed.

About your post before mine: doesn't that back up my statement about time being collective as well as individual?

I am not sure what you trying to point at by saying collective as opposed to individual....in what reference are you using those terms

-e-

[Yao]

Pffff...answering this while mixing...jeez. Will do that later..

[picklemonkey]

[Yao]

those are the mysteries of the universe, we dont know what was there 13.5 billion years ago, just like we dont know what the universe is expanding into..... but the general consensus (if I remember the article by Michio Kaku) is that anti - matter (what we think of as nothing) is extremely unstable on its own.... kinda like the yin & yang (for there to be light, there has to be dark, for good there is evil, for matter to exist, there has to be anti-matter) so 13.5 billion years ago, when there was NOTHING, there was only anti-matter, which according to kaku is extremely unstable element on its own (fyi, small amounts of anti-matter have been produced in laboratories in the US) .....

consequently this unstable element sets of a chain reaction of events and we have the big bang. As the universe starts expanding at the speed of light (on the outer edges) some of the inner particles start slowing down instantly and as they too expand, we started experiencing a cooling (temperature-wise) and planets formed and yada yada yada....

Let me add something to this...if our universe came into being 13.5 billion years ago, and came out of anti-matter, would it be possible that the big bang was the crossroads of a sandclock-figure (you know, the glass sand holding clocks in which the sand runs down throuth a 'waist' in the glass...damn, I can't remember the word in english!)?
So, maybe there was an opposite universe, and now time has crossed that point and our universe was ceated? Just a thought..

I know anti-matter has already been created, but it existed only nanoseconds each time. It's potential for creating energy bursts is phenomenal, if only we could capture it and make it stable to use it at the time we wish...
I also believe there has to be anti-matter in order for matter to exist, just like you.

can there be a variable in the speed of time ? I dont know and highly doubt it.... because time for me is related to a "speed" of something and that something is fixed.... and the reason I believe it is "fixed" is because why does 1 second take 1 second to pass and NOT 3 seconds.... speed is a variable but the variable you use to designate speed is fixed.

Variables in the speed of time would not easily be detected if the area they covered would be big enough. And that's very easy in this universe. We can still see only a small part of it, who knows what the future will bring.
And imagine: if time does go faster, wouldn't we be going with it it, and thus not noticing it? Funny idea...time goes faster, we live faster and everything seems normal. I really don't know...

Can light travel slower than at light speed? If so...it can also travel faster. And maybe that could provide some anwers. Everybody's always talking about faster, never about slower. If you could slow down the speed of light...could you slow down time? I somehow believe they are connected, but that doesn't mean it is neccesarily so.

I am not sure what you trying to point at by saying collective as opposed to individual....in what reference are you using those terms.

Individual: me, experiencing time. Sometimes it seems to be going really fast, sometimes something can take forever.

But my perception of time is not connected to that of the collective: time in an absolute sense knows no relativity, and always has the same pace. The clock doesn't go faster or slower when it seems so in my mind.

24 hrs is 24 hrs, even though it may feel like 1 hour to me.

get it?

[remoh]

yao I'm 2 cups of coffee down and you're really twisting me up on a tuesday bro

ok I'm sorta getting what you're saying and correct me if I'm wrong.... you're refering to the fact that if we are living the present and the present turns into the past, to be able to reach a point in the future, light would have to have travelled faster than itself to create a future which we would eventually live but since its the present that's going on, we're living at the edges of time ?

-e-

i like thAt it sounds really convincing...there is no future it hasnt been created, so something or someone has to create it in order for us to visit it..wow that sounds like a really good movie....

good work yao!