To revive an old topic...

[skahound]

-e-, you don't happen to have any information pertaining to this experiment do you? A link or something. This kind of stuff fascinates me and is one of the reasons I thoroughly enjoy reading Hawking, Thorne, Weinberg, etc.

[Kamal]

sec let me find it, I read about it a long fucking time ago.... there were a spate of experiments carried out with light particles where they were slowed down to a halt and also speed it up .... I'm still looking for the one where they sped it up but here's the one where they slowed it down

http://www.msnbc.com/news/242698.asp?cp1=1

-e-

[bankheadd]

A) Yes, Mars.
B) No chance.
C) Mm, potential there... though i think commercial airlines will adpot this as a quicker means of global travel, maybe in the next 50 years...

[skahound]

Well the answer to number 2 is a resounding "Yes, it's already been done." (I forgot that I read the part about the atomic clocks in Hawking's "A Brief History of Time.")

(taken from: http://www.walterzeichner.com/thezfiles/timetravel.html)

Still, travel into the future has already been proven. In 1975, Professor Carrol Alley tested Einstein's theory by using two synchronized atomic clocks--one on an airplane and the other on the ground. At the end of the flight, the one on the plane was behind the one on the ground. Time had slowed for the clock on the plane--it had traveled forward in time.

Princeton professor J. Richard Gott notes in his book Time Travel in Einstein's Universe that the world's most accomplished time traveler is the cosmonaut Sergie Avdeyev, who was on board the MIR space station for 748 days. Gott calculated that Avdeyev, traveling at 17,000 miles per hour for more than two years, traveled into the future by about 1/50th of a second.

Big deal. True, a miniscule amount of time. But what if it were possible to travel at light speed--put aside the technical problems, the massive amounts of energy required, and the tremendous friction that such a vessel would encounter as the universe around it got increasingly flat and heavy.

British physicist Steven Preston notes on his website that in a Newtonian Universe--where time flows equally with regard to everything--a trip to Andromeda, some 2.2 million light years away, would take about 2,065 years.

But because of special relativity, it might take a spaceship an entire year to accelerate to the speed of light, so 365 days. But after that period, it would take no time at all to reach Andromeda. The distance would have shrunk to zero.

So it would take a year for an astronaut to reach Andromeda and a year to get back. Two years.

But his twin brother on the ground would have been dead for just under 2.2 million years. That's travel into the future and it is consistent with the laws of nature.

[Kamal]

while I cant specifically locate the article I had read, here are a few that sort of depict what I am refering to

http://plus.maths.org/issue12/news/fasterThanLight/

http://www.iitk.ac.in/infocell/Archive/dirjuly3/science_light.html

-e-

[muggeh]

I don't think we would find something out there anytime soon if it's there and seti may look for the wrong way "they" communicate or whatever.

About that CERN thing there are some weird things related to some story from a few years back about a guy posting on the forums he was a time traveller, here's some info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

I'm not saying i believe this but facts might be facts unless ofcourse it's some twisted marketing scam from Cern

Sure for the third one but it depends on how old you are :P

[Kamal]

the reason I mentioned CERN is because of Palmer and thanks to him for introducing me to John Titor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor (<-- thanks to Muggeh for that link)

-e-

[skahound]

An American civil war is brought on by increasingly intrusive police state tactics more or less resembling the massacres at Waco and Ruby Ridge. The civil war is effectively ended by Russia in 2015 when it commences nuclear warfare on most major US cities, eliminating the federal government and thereby securing a 'victory' for the rural forces. By 2036, people are making progress in recovering from the war. There are five US states (the seat of government is in Nebraska). Society is considerably decentralized, focused on tight-knit rural communities. There is more emphasis on religion, personal interaction (as opposed to mass media and other sources of social isolation) and self-sufficiency. Technology does not seem to be widely affected, however, with "predictable" advances such as rapid rail transport between cities, space travel and genetic engineering. Water must still be filtered or distilled to remove radioactive particles and life is harsh, with people expected to work in the fields to produce locally-grown food for part of their day.

[Kamal]

if you think that was interesting ska, check out a transcript of his chat logs on IRC.... BRILLIANT.... its very detailed and the guy comes off as an original, just like Bob Lazar, who claims he worked on alien technology at AREA 51 and was interviewed by some LA RADIO STATION. His story had some intriguingly accurate physics problems and solutions to gravitational implementation in assisting with speed of light travel

anyways here is an IRC log of Titor's chat...

http://www.anomalies.net/time_traveler/irc.html

-e-

[skahound]

Thanks brother I'll check that out.

[Kamal]

^^ Take the rest of the afternoon off, you wont be able to stop reading that shite.... I'm scared to open the fucking page myself

-e-

[Yao]

Re: To revive an old topic...

do you think we will see even the remotest possibility (in this lifetime) of

A) Finding out there is life elsewhere (other than earth)
B) CERN will finally announce they have discovered the prospects of successfully performing an "expriment" related to time travel
C) Space travel will actually become an affordable public affair


-e-

• A] Well, there's 2 possibilities: either they exist, or they don't. If they do exist, there's another 2 possibilities: either they're smarter, or they're dumber.
  If they're smarter than us, they will probably get the fuck out of here when they see what we're doing here.
  If they're dumber than us, I don't wanna have anything to with them...
  
  B] Time travelling...even if it were possible: if you change one litltle detail, that could have immense consequences I think. You'd set in motion a chain of reactions which will have a totally different outcome than it would have. I believe in coincidence, which means it could either have a big, or almost no effect. But I do believe that you could influence certain moments that have been vital to a large part of human history.
  
  Dangerous.
  
  I don't exclude the possibility, but with my knowledge of quantummechanics a prediction is just going to be a gamble...
  
  C] I think it is possible in the long range...for now it will be a matter of the superrich on the planet...

[PsynceFiction[MS]]

Now what about Time Portals?

-Psynce-

[Kamal]

Time Portals ? in another word black hole ? or even better Worm Hole ?

-e-

[Yao]

Could be an option, if it doesn't rip you apart (what it is supposed to do....)