Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

[runningman]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

It better grow, do you know that over 100,000 people hit the work force in the US every month? So what if there are a couple more people making 100k.. $100k is nothing. You are still considered to be lower middle class with $100k.

So i'm supposed to believe that the US and Canada have just gone retarded over the last decade and that is why we are in this mess? No it is because banks aren't lending money to medium to high risk startups and investors are holding on for dear life waiting for a sign that this mess is over.

10 million millionaires on a planet that has 7 billion people is hardly exciting. There should be 10 million millionaires in North America alone

By your logic Mariner everything is fine with the economy I guess

[88Mariner]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

It better grow, do you know that over 100,000 people hit the work force in the US every month? So what if there are a couple more people making 100k.. $100k is nothing. You are still considered to be lower middle class with $100k.

So i'm supposed to believe that the US and Canada have just gone retarded over the last decade and that is why we are in this mess? No it is because banks aren't lending money to medium to high risk startups and investors are holding on for dear life waiting for a sign that this mess is over.

10 million millionaires on a planet that has 7 billion people is hardly exciting. There should be 10 million millionaires in North America alone

By your logic Mariner everything is fine with the economy I guess

100k is lower middle class? by your logic, section 8 housing is equivalent to living in a stick hut in the sahara.

lettuce be coco puffs, what 'should' be, according to you, is a standard you've managed to pull out of your ass. why not 100 million? what about 9 million? again, out. of. yer. stankhole.

people don't become millionaires by getting a fucking loan. are you mental? am i asking this question seriously? is this real life?

high risk start ups are "HIGH RISK". meaning most of them fail. and even if they don't, and most high risk startups DO succeed, how does that gaurantee a million dollar paycheck? i know people who have built their businesses from the ground up, employee between 30 to 110 people, and at BEST, make roughly $500k a year.

are they middle class?

[runningman]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

yes they are upper middle. there is nothing wrong with middle class. i'm just saying they aren't rich by any stretch of the imagination. making 500k a year is great i'm not knocking it. but the problem here is that middle class (aka small business) is being wiped out because of the MegaCorps and banks and corrupt politicians

what are you talking about 100 million and stankholes?

read rich dad poor dad.. they do get rich from getting loans

[88Mariner]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

not everyone does. why do you have this view that everyone who either starts a business successfully or otherwise is gonna make a cool million a year? does this hold on forever? if people who run small businesses should be making a million per year, than that most CERTAINLY justifies the salaries of officers of corporations.

small businesses are being wiped out? maybe that's because you still haven't wrapped your head around the high rate of failure of small businesses.

and lettuce be golden grahams, businesses don't fail because of banks and corporations. they fail because consumers aren't willing to give them money (like any other business - or do you think they're too small to fail and banks should be forced to hand out small loans to nearly insolvent businesses much like they did to people with poor credit apropos the housing crisis - shit, maybe we can start a small business bubble while we're at it!)

[runningman]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

I'm not saying that for sure you will get a cool mil a year.. i never said that. a millionaire is someone with a million bucks. i bet your buddy making 500k is a millionaire.

Where is all the money then Mariner?

and yes small bus does get wiped out everyday by MegaCorps.. Not only do they get wiped out but now you can't even get started without them because it requires so much capital just to get going. unless you are making pencils out of your garage

The investor is gone

[runningman]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

the other problem is education. the current schooling system doesn't teach you to think. it teaches you to do what your told. it limits creativity.

[88Mariner]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

I'm not saying that for sure you will get a cool mil a year.. i never said that. a millionaire is someone with a million bucks. i bet your buddy making 500k is a millionaire.

Where is all the money then Mariner?

and yes small bus does get wiped out everyday by MegaCorps.. Not only do they get wiped out but now you can't even get started without them because it requires so much capital just to get going. unless you are making pencils out of your garage

The investor is gone

well if you're saying what people are 'saving' instead of 'earning', then fuck no. are you trolling? you realize how effin TERRIBLE our money management is in this country on an individual basis? so many people out there that don't even have even a thousand bucks in the bank.

everyone's living in the now. and not preparing for the future.

"WHERE'S THE MONEY LEBOWSKI?"

i'm not sure what you mean. are you suggesting that banks part with their money in high risk get-rich-quick schemes?

of course it takes money to make money. americans have, as i mentioned above, lost creativity, focus, drive, resilience, and patience to do any of that shit. perhaps the reason you're looking for why there are fewer small businesses is because the know-how is not there. you can't just look up 'how to start a business' on wikipedia and be capable of running a successful business from that.

most of the kids out there, i wouldn't even trust to run a cash register. call me an old timer, but fucks sake, i wouldn't trust them with a mop, much less the managing of a business.

[88Mariner]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

the other problem is education. the current schooling system doesn't teach you to think. it teaches you to do what your told. it limits creativity.

well that too. look at how terribly uncreative the chinese are. they're hammered into worker bees from teh day they are born.

[runningman]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

not everyone has the drive to start their own business.. there will always be worker bees.. but where do the worker bees work without small business innovation?

I agree with a lot of what your saying though

[runningman]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

it's true the younger generation is entertainment bred. they aren't thinkers that's for sure

[88Mariner]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

not everyone has the drive to start their own business.. there will always be worker bees.. but where do the worker bees work without small business innovation?

I agree with a lot of what your saying though

wherever they want to? i dunno.

there are plenty of places they can work at.

the problem right now with all of this unemployment is that,

1) businesses large and small are downsizing to keep afloat
2) in doing so, they're finding they're making ends meet with fewer people
3) and they've come to realize that their workers are being more efficient - doing more with less.
4) they're thus hesitant to start expanding...

[Shpira]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

Finally watched this. I actually really liked it..i think its the most serious film of the bunch...i also like the star trek future they want for us.

[Shpira]

Re: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward | Official Trailer- [ Extended ]

As I said, I haven't watched this movie, but I have studied at length the affect of city planning, and external stimuli's affects on genes.

Having a family of politicians, I can only imagine the lengths at which this film takes in order to connect all of the above with some kind of NWO bologne.

such an ignorant post. Watch the film and then comment...i don't recall a NWO reference anywhere in the movie.