Who thinks Bush is a great american president?

[skahound]

i hear ya, but at least you proven not guilty.

At my own expense though.

[Jenks]

I hate his stance on gays, let them be ffs.

I hate his stance with religion, leave it out ffs.

I like that we're finally taking a stand in the middle east, wether it's the right one or not will be told in time.

I like that he's got balls. For once he has sacked up and been the unpopular president. We don't need a yes man.

He's okay in my book. Not my first choice, but better than any democrat.

[ftc]

yeah but in reality they break that ammendment in order to protect your life. seroiusly, just think about the fact that RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, FBI CIA and many other agancies are frantically searching for a few middle eastern and chinese people in and aorund boston to try to prevent a dirty bomb from being exploded. i know its not definete, by why would you not dod everything in your power to prevent it?? fuck it, if i were living in boston, i would do my best to help them out, if only to ensure my children and loved ones can get home alive. go ahead "look in my house." .

This has become the norm for typical americans and their way of dealing with this "constant threat" way of life. It's quite sad how you immediately give up your rights just to insure survival. But the bigger picture that needs addressing is why and how did it get to this point? People sitting on the edge, waiting for the next terror alarm ready to sacrifice their rights at the quickest moment. This notion that "nobody is safe" is being implemented on the masses mostly in part by the media. It's no suprise that if you constantly hear and see news about possible new terror threats you are going to become paranoid and weak which translates to adjusting to having your freedoms stripped away for better protection. Don't you agree its time to get to the bottom of things? Find out what fuels these threats, why some people want to harm the US and what is it they are mad about. Next step is trying to fix this problem, rather than trying to adopt to the new circumstances. Those that bear hate, who resort to violence obviously have some reasoning behind their actions so maybe it's time the governtment re-evaluated how they are going about their agenda. Terrorism is not an expression of rage, it's a political weapon - a reaction to something. Ever wonder why people in Sweden or Italy or Kazakhstan don't have to worry about having their rights trampled over for "national security reasons"? Having cops search their homes for bombs? Could it be because they don't have as many enemies to worry about? The tolerance level of the american public just amazes me but I doubt this will continue like this, because when that comfort is breached enough the public will have its say. The sooner people realize whats going on, the sooner things can start changing... because change of methods is something the US needs quick.

[Gonzo]

i know it hasnt happened yet. but the whole thing with north korea is REALLY scary. they have the nukes. they admitted it. they are very very much a dangerous regiem. i dont think that they would just start a war, however, i do think if something bad happened(even if not war), they wouldnt hesitate to use a nuclear weapon. so the question remians, "do we go now, wait until they use them, or put a stranglehold of economic sanctions and boycotts on the place. personally i think the third choice is the best, but also the worst b/c starving and locking the country up would do nothing but create worse feelings amoung the younger generations of the country. WHO KNOWS?! everyone has an imperfect solution, but none are right.

I just don't get that political move... Can you see who is fighting against nuclear weapons? Hell yeah, USA! The country who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nuclear bombs... who wrote a page in history for bombing the zone with nukes when the war was arriving to its end.

I saw on CNN last week a conference of congresists in USA... these are words of Condoleezza: "Let's bring the truth to the people that don't have access to the truth". I think that's the biggest problem of American politics, they always think they have the ONLY TRUTH... and starting from that, they want to bring THEIR truth to everyone else. I don't get it, and I can't understand it.

USA stands itself as the mother Theresa of Calcutta, and has a bloody past. From bombing an own ship with american marines inside (most of them died) for having an argument to battle Spain, for conquering Cuba, to knowing Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbour and let it under-defensed, to have an argument to battle Japan. What else can we expect from USA? Twin towers incident could have been another "argument" to enter a war that interests USA's government... a battle for fuel. ---> I know... it's a negative point of view, but it's a possibility too.

Why USA feels that have to free every single country in the world? Historically they've never acted (or at least, not often) just to be happy with their concious... there was always a power or economic topic besides.

Let's see France... their congress doesn't talk about tiranism in other countries, they just let them be. Why can't they see that some people just want to stay as they are? Let's ask ourselves, is it democracy that important that thousands of people have to die for it in hands of others? Is democracy worth a die?

Don't get angry guys, I'm just throwing down another point of view.

[Gonzo]

yeah but in reality they break that ammendment in order to protect your life. seroiusly, just think about the fact that RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, FBI CIA and many other agancies are frantically searching for a few middle eastern and chinese people in and aorund boston to try to prevent a dirty bomb from being exploded. i know its not definete, by why would you not dod everything in your power to prevent it?? fuck it, if i were living in boston, i would do my best to help them out, if only to ensure my children and loved ones can get home alive. go ahead "look in my house." .

This has become the norm for typical americans and their way of dealing with this "constant threat" way of life. It's quite sad how you immediately give up your rights just to insure survival. But the bigger picture that needs addressing is why and how did it get to this point? People sitting on the edge, waiting for the next terror alarm ready to sacrifice their rights at the quickest moment. This notion that "nobody is safe" is being implemented on the masses mostly in part by the media. It's no suprise that if you constantly hear and see news about possible new terror threats you are going to become paranoid and weak which translates to adjusting to having your freedoms stripped away for better protection. Don't you agree its time to get to the bottom of things? Find out what fuels these threats, why some people want to harm the US and what is it they are mad about. Next step is trying to fix this problem, rather than trying to adopt to the new circumstances. Those that bear hate, who resort to violence obviously have some reasoning behind their actions so maybe it's time the governtment re-evaluated how they are going about their agenda. Terrorism is not an expression of rage, it's a political weapon - a reaction to something. Ever wonder why people in Sweden or Italy or Kazakhstan don't have to worry about having their rights trampled over for "national security reasons"? Having cops search their homes for bombs? Could it be because they don't have as many enemies to worry about? The tolerance level of the american public just amazes me but I doubt this will continue like this, because when that comfort is breached enough the public will have its say. The sooner people realize whats going on, the sooner things can start changing... because change of methods is something the US needs quick.

You've said what I couldn't explain with my own words...

Americans are getting media-slaves... they are getting their senses asleep with TV, political moves, etc. You just have to realize, that Bin Laden is not the entire Iraq, and Iraqi people are not Laden's allies. They are people as you and I, they had a terrorist, that's true, but that doesn't make them terrorists too... bombing Iraq ir not a solution, it's unfair. WHERE ARE THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? You just can't war a country because you suspect they have nukes and then find that there was no nukes, and say it was just a mistake... COME ON! Thousands of people are now dead because false nukes, because a mere suspect. Is it worth it?

[neoee]

yeah but in reality they break that ammendment in order to protect your life. seroiusly, just think about the fact that RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, FBI CIA and many other agancies are frantically searching for a few middle eastern and chinese people in and aorund boston to try to prevent a dirty bomb from being exploded. i know its not definete, by why would you not dod everything in your power to prevent it?? fuck it, if i were living in boston, i would do my best to help them out, if only to ensure my children and loved ones can get home alive. go ahead "look in my house." they need to do i the right way though. i.e. explainthe situation requires you to search beyond what is normal b/c someone has some radioactive material in the area and might very well be planning to set off a mini nuke. trust me, sitting in NYC last year with 100 cops and scientists walking around with radiation detectors through the crowd was the second most umcomforatble situation i have been in. in NYC, we now have to have these huge radiation detectors planted beneath the street to keep us safe.

Please tell this to the many people who have been unreasonably searched, without warrants, arrested and detained without being charged, and have had no right to consult with council (what are we at... 3 amendments so far?) then released 2 weeks later after being in a dark cell, with an apology (if that)?

Sightless, I'm sure my job would be gone if I disappeared for 2 weeks without notice. Then my house, car, and everything else that would follow. Probably have some credit issues if I was late on any payments. These "inconviences" are perfectly okay with you? What about the fact that you ignoring the very principals this country is founded upon?

If we live in a police state then the terrorists have successfully taken our freedom away. How can we try to deliver freedom to another country if we ourselves don't have it. Look at how this parallels Saddam's regime- no guarentee(sp?) of privacy, no right to council, no due process.

Also keep in mind that some of these practices are now affecting US businesses. Since under the Patriot Act, rights to privacy have been forfited, data exportation is being limited. Canada, for example, has added legislation which prevents data from being wherehoused in the US, as things like medical records are no longer private.

I do understand the ideaology behind the Patriot Act, but it not only has the potential to be abused, but already has been, blatently. A few weeks ago I saw a story about a guy using a laser to point at a plane. The govt. acknowledged that this was not terrorist related, but arrested him under the Patriot Act. Anyhow I've rambled on for too long. Thoughts?

[Valium]

he's a crazed ultra-right-wing Christian Evangelical fundamentalist who can't master English grammar or syntax...
He wishes to purge the lands of Babylon of the heathens [check...well, partly] and recapture the Holy Land for Christianity...he basically thinks he can speed up the coming of the apocalypse by intervening in the Middle East.....which is, again, his business.

And if on those grounds the populace considers him a good president, so be it - such is democracy.

But if anyone is dumb enough to DENY that, or if anyone who supports Bush cannot see that.......I'm very sorry for those people. Very very sorry indeed

[skahound]

People sitting on the edge, waiting for the next terror alarm ready to sacrifice their rights at the quickest moment. This notion that "nobody is safe" is being implemented on the masses mostly in part by the media. It's no suprise that if you constantly hear and see news about possible new terror threats you are going to become paranoid and weak which translates to adjusting to having your freedoms stripped away for better protection.

I would strongly urge every single one of you to read a book titled "Culture of Fear" by Barry Glassner (a professor of Sociology at USC). It is an impartial, unbiased look at the root of media-enabled fear and provides specific, thought-provoking examples. For instance, one chapter on the media-bred fear of blacks discusses how time and time again the finger is pointed at the lyrics of rap artists following black-on-black crime, yet we never hear about the lyrics of Johnny Cash or Tennessee Ernie Ford, whose violent songs are still played on country music stations, after white-on-white crime.

I implore you to pick up this fascinating read. I guarantee you will hardly put it down before you finish it.

[Dajshin]

He is the one who is the cause, when WWIII starts. Bush is just a Puppy of his Father.

[JellyButt]

in the name of freedom he is killing a lot of people
that why i think he?s the worst

He shouldn't be playing a worldwide police officer!
But he's doing it!

First war with Iraq and inocent people suffer!
Terrorists - again inocent people are paying!
Now even more couse those mountain lost Muslims gone crazy!!!
For them is the holly war! U cant explain them that that's no good!
So u have to leave 'em alone!
But No! Allmighty Bush thinks he'll put an end to this!
yea right!

Everything can also be a nice excuse for lot's of things running in background!

He's an asshole!
and i don't understand Americans why they vote 4 him!!!!!!

Probably they are too much controled by the media!!!

And if not...... ..they're assholes too!

Sorry!

[Gonzo]

"Death is the political instrument of all times" (Savater, 1976, 80)

[runningman]

in the name of freedom he is killing a lot of people
that why i think he?s the worst

He shouldn't be playing a worldwide police officer!
But he's doing it!

First war with Iraq and inocent people suffer!
Terrorists - again inocent people are paying!
Now even more couse those mountain lost Muslims gone crazy!!!
For them is the holly war! U cant explain them that that's no good!
So u have to leave 'em alone!
But No! Allmighty Bush thinks he'll put an end to this!
yea right!

Everything can also be a nice excuse for lot's of things running in background!

He's an asshole!
and i don't understand Americans why they vote 4 him!!!!!!

Probably they are too much controled by the media!!!

And if not...... ..they're assholes too!

Sorry!

so the terrorists out there we should just leave alone?? Are u spun?? Your statements could be the most brain dead things i have ever heard from a human being.. its people like you that need a smack in the face and wake up to reality.. you know what you had your smack in the face with 9/11 you are just completly retarded..

[Gonzo]

Come on guys, let's keep it down... We're just throwing some thoughts to the table. That's it, we don't wanna have a senseless quarrel.

[Yao]

Re: Who thinks Bush is a great american president?

Well, I guess most of you know how I feel about Bush c.s.

The US planted the seeds for what is happening now when they fought their war with Russia in Afghanistan and actively started backing Israel up. In the latter case, I'm not judging: the reaction is just there, it's a fact.

Now that terrorism has hit the planet, maybe we (not just the US, Europe too) should be trying to find the causes and fix them, instead of concentrating on the symptoms. Furthermore, they should apply the right measures, instead of levelling whole countries under the guise of 'bringing democracy'. And I must agree with ftc's quote:

Those that bear hate, who resort to violence obviously have some reasoning behind their actions so maybe it's time the governtment re-evaluated how they are going about their agenda. Terrorism is not an expression of rage, it's a political weapon - a reaction to something. Ever wonder why people in Sweden or Italy or Kazakhstan don't have to worry about having their rights trampled over for "national security reasons"? Having cops search their homes for bombs? Could it be because they don't have as many enemies to worry about?

Enemies are made in politics, they don't 'just exist'. If you shit in someone else's garden, he'll get angry with you.

Last: I don't approve of everything the Islam stands for, their lifestyle is different from mine and they should leave me alone. But on my part, I won't go round telling them what good and what not, and what they should change in my point of view to make things better.
I don't believe in this 'crusade' for democracy, if Bush really pushes it, it will only lead to more war and casualties.

I believe every action is in fact meant to improve the economical and political position from the US: there's no such thing as a free meal or selfless actions in international politics.

I wanna give credits to cosmo, for bringing that post 'The pentagons new map' on this board: seldom have I read a piece that explains what and why the US is doing all this so good. It is also one of the most frightening pieces I've ever read: it contains all the arguments to continue to go to war in the future.

http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/viewtopic.php?highlight=pentagon&t=7734

Just my ?0,02

[face]

yao, you should check this out as well:

http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

and read the individual "plans" laid out for each region of the world.

very frightening indeed.


oh yeah, 'bush is a nayzee' as eric cartman would say.