Nobel Peace Prize 2010

[res0nat0r]

Re: Nobel Peace Prize 2010

The link suggests that the US can be called on, and conduct themselves as paid mercenaries, in doing the dirty work of other nations if and when requested. For a handsome fee of course.

Is this the behavior, actions of what you would consider to be that of the 'world police'?

Yup. Extra paragraph for your own self rationalization not even needed.

[dig72]

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^Keep on running.

[chunky]

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I'd say its more like Racketeering than World Police.

[Shpira]

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^I'd say more like a country that has a lot of resources and almost unlimited power; performing what it thinks best for its own self interests on an anarchical scene with no one to say what can be done and what cannot.

[dig72]

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^ As bad as that is, citizens may support these criminal actions regardless, provided it benefits them. But it simply doesn't.

Billions upon billions are spent on a disastrous foreign policy, while the nation and it's people continue to suffer. And with no end in sight.

It's absolutely crazy and it simply can't go on like this. I'm not at all confident that it can be fixed via the ballot box alone. The situation seems hopeless and it's as if the people have given up. And I can't really blame them for feeling like this.

The people look to their leaders for guidance and real leadership, but they have failed them miserably, openly and shamelessly. You keep hearing the word revolution being used more often, as the only solution to the problems being faced at this point in time. I don't wish that upon anyone, as this can only mean bloodshed.

Below is a link to an interview with Max Keiser and Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former assistant Secretary to the US Treasury during the Reagan administration. They cover recent events but part 3 is very interesting as Paul Roberts expresses his very grim view on the future of the US and her citizens.

http://maxkeiser.com/2010/12/12/ote86-on-the-edge-with-paul-craig-roberts/

[Shpira]

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all FOR global revolution here.

[bobjuice]

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woohoo go world police !!

"it's their fault for bringing kids to the battle" - fucking unreal. Battle?

[vinnie97]

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The only people that I ever hear say this, are American themselves. Why is that?

Perhaps it's a history that goes back to WWI/WWII, when we realized that isolationism was failing and could no longer be relied upon after all the human losses. After that (in part to prevent the conditions that caused such instability), we became proactive interventionists to the extreme. It seems we're on the tail end of that now.

The results haven't always been a disaster...Chile turned out nice.

[trick12]

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man please, to be honest i dont even know how you can convince urself by this, i guess this is exactly the example that many of us here talk about. i mean did u really buy this urself, is that what u think what really happens, dont you see what happens in the world everyday, and when did the US interfere? other than when they feel there is a huge gain for them? look around you man and use ur brain to evaluate things.

if the results have always been a disaster its for a reason(coz was never the purpose u think it is), and maybe an indication to stop playing that fake role and putting the wolf in a sheep's costume coz trust me there arent many sheep around here that will buy such given crap and u will stand out so obvious and full of evidence covering you from head to toe except for maybe some sheep that dont care abt it they just wanna keep on eating and not having to think so hard and questions things.

so if u are still convinced that its a sheep, then that sux for u, coz theres a wolf there and u just dont see it.

IMO i respect it more when someone says coz we got the power and the guns and we'll do watever the fuk we wanna do coz we can. coz at least theyre not lying to themselves, and arguing about a point so obvious, u cant go both ways at the same time, and the path u chose is so clear to us.

[vinnie97]

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Why are you being so confrontational and on top of that with the tedious run-ons? I do realize that unilateral action is primarily one of self-interest (because a world in chaos is one that is of not useful for the well-being of any country and especially not a world power). I am not going to lie to myself or you and claim every foreign intervention has been a clusterfuck (you seem to be insinuating that every foreign action taken in self-interest has resulted in nothing but disaster), but I will gladly admit that many have been. And isolationism did exist in this country after WWI. Believe it or not, allies have requested help on occasion (these are the roots of Vietnam involvement for instance) and obviously the powers that be are going to weigh the pros and cons of any potential action, including considering how the US can benefit from the action. Another example is that of the Yugoslovian conflict used to oust the Serbs and put an end to the accused ethnic cleansing. IF that is not an example of a function of world policing, what is? You want me to demonize all US foreign policy and no, I won't do that. The nation is definitely adrift now, and the last decade seems to have been a waste, with the Cold War against Russia over Afghanistan being used as a springboard to invade Middle Eastern countries (I don't think it was necessarily by design, in the beginning, as I think those who militarized the Taliban in the 80s were shortsighted when they left the Afghans to wither on the vine). I'm rambling now but this is a COMPLICATED topic and not on where I'm going to take your bait and rebuke every international action the US has ever taken.

[runningman]

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Revolution is not possible with the MSM telling people what to think and how to act.

[vinnie97]

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Definitely not...and with the FED secretly loaning billions to the likes of GE (MSNBC), and FOX pretending ("controlled opposition"), it's no wonder we're in this state.

[Shpira]

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Go read chomsky...manufacturing consent...or ANYTHING else...come talk after. No offence intended but this is rubbish. Its almost like you live in a paralel universe.

[trick12]

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You want me to demonize all US foreign policy and no, I won't do that.

Nah, just some of them, mainly the ones consisting of murdering thousands of innocent people in their home countries with out them being a threat to you, and just tell the world they had weapons of mass destruction and create an imaginary enemy to justify sending the rest of the troops there and the killings. just to suck up its resources and have another base on the other side of the world for reasons that will happen in the next 10 yrs or so. and i'll let u figure out on ur own(which i dont think will happen) what other actions those same people are willing to take to keep this lie going and increasing the nation's hate to this created enemy so that the nation will be so emotional and caught up to even think in a rational way, and just simply and blindly follow what they want you to.

I'm rambling now but this is a COMPLICATED topic and not on where I'm going to take your bait and rebuke every international action the US has ever taken.

you already took the bait, but not from me.


p.s. im just talking about a certain era under certain people that lead the whole nation to this.

[vinnie97]

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So you'll agree the UN needs dismantling then, because they were ultimately used as the tool to justify the Iraqi invasion (at least 17 violations, the WMD accusations were the final straw used to break the camel's back...and it is a known fact he used chemical weapons against certain ethnic sects). Life in Iraq under Saddam wasn't peaches either. If you were a loud political dissident, a lifetime of prison would be the best you could expect.

Yes, all of these can be used as convenient scapegoats for the invasion to shield the more selfish reasons for invasion. I'm not denying that. But you only see it from a single perspective as well. That boogeyman Bin Laden (whose Iraqi connections were tenuous at best) could have been killed on multiple occasions, but I agree he was kept alive for more sinister reasons. To bring a police state home domestically and to further justify foreign invasion of sovereign lands. What is the hidden hand here? The trillionaire power-mongers at the top of the food chain who are manipulating the once most powerful country of the 21st/20th century? It doesn't seem like a purely partisan issue anymore.

Right back atcha', Shpira.