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  • vinnie97
    Are you Kidding me??
    • Jul 2007
    • 3454

    A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

    A repeated post from 4 months ago...Since repeal is in the air, I will restate my case. S. Paul Forrest On December 24, 2009, H.R. 3590 -- P...


    On December 24, 2009, H.R. 3590 -- Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was signed into law. Liberals around the world rose up in appreciation that Health Care Reform was finally coming to America. The Bill was touted as a major victory for Americans without health care coverage and was ushered through the legal process in an expeditious way. As the Bill now moves into action, many peripheral Bills and Executive Orders are being issued to emphasize the underlying methodology of the Bill. One action in particular—the regulation of organic foods and supplements, is coming to the forefront, awakening many Liberals to the realities of this Bill’s damaging course.

    Most Liberals have in the past hoped for health care reform. In particular, Edward Moore “Ted” Kennedy had a dream of decent, quality health care as a fundamental right and not a privilege. He campaigned vehemently on a platform to create an America that cares for its own without having income as a barrier to quality of life. Unfortunately, he died before seeing Obama’s Health Care Bill passed in Congress. As it is now popularly known, ObamaCare was billed as the fulfillment of Kennedy’s dream but, in reality, even if the great Senator had been alive when it was ratified, he still would not have seen his dream come to fruition. The reality is that ObamaCare stands as an example of what happens when politics and blind ambition mix in a solution of two parts deception and one part ignorance.

    In the flurry of debate on the value of ObamaCare, many opinions and statements were given by both the Right and the Left side of the aisle. The Right stated that the plan is an expansion of big government with too much control, and the long term cost will be crippling to the country’s economy. The Left has stuck to quoting the statistics of 45,000 people dying prematurely in America each year because they can’t afford proper care—and touting Kennedy’s name to garner the support of their base. Both sides have fueled the fight with their version of the facts in an attempt to propel the American public to see the “realities” of ObamaCare, but only one was actually telling us the truth.

    Republicans relentlessly argued that the plan would saddle the nation with unaffordable levels of debt; leave states with expensive new obligations; weaken Medicare; and give the government a huge new role in the healthcare system. The Left said that affordability and the covering of pre-existing conditions were the important factors involved, and this plan was a step toward achieving care for uninsured Americans.

    As the media circus grew around this legislation, and accusatory fingers pointed toward both sides of the aisle, it seemed that no one had actually read the Bill. This became clear when Nancy Pelosi, the Leader of the Left, made the statement: “Congress has to pass the bill so you can find out what’s in it, away from the fog of controversy.” She was advocating the passing of this Economic Giant of a Bill without even taking the time to read it. This was my first realization that something was very wrong beneath the streets of Obama Land.

    Given this obvious attempt to pass this Historic Bill and advocating ignorance as the driving force for its acceptance, I decided to read the Bill to find the answers myself. The opening sections outline a beautiful system for providing Americans with health care that is not only affordable, but complete in order to achieve the purpose of, “building on what works in today’s health care system, while repairing the aspects that are broken.” In section (1) of the Bill, it states: “The purpose of this division is to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending.” This, I believe, is as far as most people decided to read, if they read it at all. After digesting the complexities of this Bill and after some serious self-reflection and swallowing of my Liberal pride, I came to a disturbing conclusion: The Republicans were right.

    The Bill’s foreword (a simplified version of what is supposedly in the Bill) painted a picture of the very hope I had been expecting. The real purpose to the Bill, however, is quite different than that cryptically outlined in the foreword. The reality is that this Bill gives the President the freedom to set up Health Care Commissions to oversee the Health and Welfare of the People. The plan unfolding, generated by overzealous propaganda by the Left and now touted as the greatest health care reform of our time, is well beyond the imagination of even the most twisted, Marxist mind. The Health Care Reform outlined in the text is a collection of the most controlling, government expanding piece of legislation I have ever read.

    The reality is that H.R. 3590 sets up a system of governmental oversight and control that boggles the mind. The numbers of panels and departments under the general cloak of this Bill are astounding. Commissioners, Administrators, Ombudsmen and Committees of all shapes and sizes are enacted to oversee the implementation and continuation of this Act. This Bill doesn’t just redefine Health Care; it completely redefines the structure of it. The Bill translates into a system that allows the creation and proliferation of programs like what is outlined in H.R. 875 and the Food Safety Administration. It is the very thing that I have heard a flurry of frustration about from the Left: control over organic supplements and foods without their first being checked and labeled by a government agency. H.R. 875 essentially sets up a system where people will not be subjected to foods or supplements that could pose a threat to their health.

    Similarly, Senate Bill 425: Food Safety and Tracking Improvement Act, performs the same control over our choices of foods. This particular Bill plans to: “Amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to provide for the establishment of a traceability system for food, to amend the Federal Meat Inspection Act, the Poultry Products Inspections Act, the Egg Products Inspection Act, and the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to provide for improved public health and food safety through enhanced enforcement, and for other purposes.” It is essentially the control and inevitable destruction of free organics in America, courtesy of the Lobbyists for corporations like Monsanto. The irony is that these same people standing against organics are allowing genetic, antibiotic, and steroidal manipulation of our food without even a second thought.

    The recent Bills and Executive Orders being implemented in the after-hours workings of the Obama Regime are all interconnected, purposeful moves to control the “health” of the population. Our entire food system, and thus our health choices, are being decided without public knowledge in a land called Democratic; our vote has not been counted. Unbeknownst to most Americans, H.R. 3590 specifically requires a committee to list the priorities for “lifestyle behavior modification” that the government will pursue. This translates into control of our choices of diet. Is this what Liberals were thinking of when we all together stood symbolically with Obama to bring Health Care to America? Is this what we foresaw as the solution to our collective Health Care dilemma? Control over choices?

    According to Karl Marx, a defining characteristic of Capitalism is that it alienates man from himself, from the true nature of work, and from others. This alienation may be partially moderated by consumption; by accepting the dominant ideas of what is the ‘good life.’ This philosophy is represented in the fabric of the Obama Plan. Each day, he takes us one more step from freedom of choice toward a controlled environment. In a ‘pure’ Marxist society, the State is a democratic system that manages all aspects of production—essentially making the State the head of all industry. The sad part of this is that we are allowing it to happen.

    I am proud to call myself a Liberal, and I have to say that when the Right first started their campaign against Obama, calling him a Marxist and attempting to defeat every plan of action introduced by him, I was deeply frustrated. I couldn’t understand the hate and messages that seemed to drip with racism and ignorance. Today, though, it is a different perspective and a different emotion I am feeling. Today, I stand deeply hurt and disappointed by the deception of this man. Obama stood in front of us all with silver tongue and pearly smile promising Change to America. He has brought change all right, but it is a kind of change that will leave deep scars on the backs of this great nation. It is the kind of change that has set us in turmoil and split the sides of the aisle with a seemingly irreconcilable divide.

    In the past few years, I have read and researched constantly in an effort to defend our President, trying to argue that he is good for this country. In the recent months, however, I have realized how very wrong I was to do so. After many months of sailing aboard the USS Obama, I am clamoring to find the lifeboats. With my Awakening to the Reality of Obama Care, and so many more of his initiatives of “Change,” I have decided to abandon this ship sailing into the fog of deception and take my chances on the open political ocean with windblown waters in the desperate hope that eventually my little boat will once again find the free, teeming shores of America.


    I know he will be immediately deemed a Republican insurance company plant, but that rhetoric is proving more hollow by the day.
    Last edited by vinnie97; January 19, 2011, 01:09:53 AM. Reason: less cynical title
  • Shpira
    Angry Boy Child
    • Oct 2006
    • 4969

    #2
    Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

    the US political system is fucked....that said this guy is chalk full of shit. Loads of opinions...if you're that interested download the fucking bill and read it. third party opinions filtered through their own subjective goggles.
    The guy most likely is a republican...and you are telling me that the bill was passed without amendments and clip ons by both sides???
    Never fucking happen... that's why you end up with fucked up bills that dictate the construction a national health care system and have clauses about fucking air traffic...bunch of fucking cunts that should be impaled on a sharp stick through their ass and out their mouth while still alive - that's the US congress for you.

    p.s. I get grumpy when hungry
    The Idiots ARE Winning.


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    • CircleGuy
      Banned
      • Jan 2010
      • 455

      #3
      Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

      who wants to lead the charge on another American revolution?

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      • floridaorange
        I'm merely a humble butler
        • Dec 2005
        • 29116

        #4
        Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

        Originally posted by CircleUP
        who wants to lead the charge on another American revolution?
        That's probably the most unique component of this section, some of the guys think posting in here is is some way contributing to a revolution.

        It was fun while it lasted...

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        • Shpira
          Angry Boy Child
          • Oct 2006
          • 4969

          #5
          Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

          ^^Your country your responsibility...that said I have long given up on mine. I think having an independent thought...is contributing.
          The Idiots ARE Winning.


          "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
          Mark Twain

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          • vinnie97
            Are you Kidding me??
            • Jul 2007
            • 3454

            #6
            Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

            Well, the douches are running afoul of the new tone of civility already:



            If the GOP are Nazis, I guess fair is fair and we can call his party the one of the Commies.


            And here's a damnable expose' against claims that this monstrosity is going to save money:

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            • Shpira
              Angry Boy Child
              • Oct 2006
              • 4969

              #7
              Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

              Wait let me get this straight...he is suggesting that you shouldn't have national healthcare because...its expensive and because companies are dropping their employees from private health care???
              Is it me or does allllll of this just sound fucking stupid...how the fuck can you argue against spending money on something that will benefit the same people who pay taxes while at the same time building bigger and bigger prisons and increasing the military spending year after year...
              The only people that will loose out OBJECTIVELY are the private insurance companies.

              And as if the govt will raise taxes by anything that would impact the majority to sponsor this bill...all these fucks are lobbied by the private hospitals and private healthcare insurers.

              IMO if you wanna make a law that would REALLY benefit the US put a ban on all financial donations to candidates and get the government to pay equally little for all campaigns. Then and only then will you have a govt for the people.
              The Idiots ARE Winning.


              "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
              Mark Twain

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              • vinnie97
                Are you Kidding me??
                • Jul 2007
                • 3454

                #8
                Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                Yea, good luck with that one...we're talking about sensible solutions here, not radical takeovers and pie-in-the-sky campaign finance wishes (not that I disagree with you, lobbyists have made a mess of a govt. that was once supposedly for the people). What good is "free" health care if more people are out of work? It's contingent upon these workers to fund this bureaucratic behemoth...China's gonna' give us the finger and then no dollar amount will be enough.

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                • vinnie97
                  Are you Kidding me??
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 3454

                  #9
                  Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                  Seriously, another trainwreck hidden inside: http://www.beloitdailynews.com/artic...n/edit1801.txt

                  EARLIER THIS WEEK many Americans learned for the first time a significant benefit for working people had been eroded. Changes to Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs) make the popular program “a huge hassle,” according to the president of the American Academy of Family Physicians.

                  Previously, FSAs allowed workers to set aside pre-tax money from each paycheck to cover certain costs for health-related expenses or child care. The money could be used to pay for doctor visit co-pays, deductibles and other expenses not reimbursed by insurance. It also allowed individuals and families to use FSAs to cover a restricted list of over-the-counter products such as pain relievers and cold remedies.

                  Not anymore.

                  As of the new year over-the-counter products, to be eligible for FSA reimbursement, must have a prescription from a physician
                  Another article that raises a good question, what other surprises will be unearthed over the next 3 years?

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                  • Shpira
                    Angry Boy Child
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 4969

                    #10
                    Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                    China's gonna' give us the finger and then no dollar amount will be enough.
                    already there...thats why hilary flies over to suck cock for Chinese money.
                    What good is "free" health care if more people are out of work?
                    because if you have kids and your out of work and you and your kids happen to get sick...you wont die.
                    Its a fucking disgrace that "the most powerful nation of the world" treats their veterans and old age cops, fire man etc the way it does. NO one and i mean nobody should be suffering from no access to health care in a nation that spends $685.1 billion per year on military.

                    And most tax should come from corporate taxation for this as they will directly benfit by not having to pay private any longer...
                    The Idiots ARE Winning.


                    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
                    Mark Twain

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                    • vinnie97
                      Are you Kidding me??
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 3454

                      #11
                      Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                      The ongoing war(s), whatever their justification status, make much of that Military spending vital. Obama is keeping the Aghan war intact but he also wants Obamacare. Can't have it both ways. The total spent on defense in 2010 was 20% of the entire budget. How far do we want to cut into this before we've decided it's time to put an end to more entitlements?

                      We're coming from different perspectives...I don't believe health care insurance is a right. By making it a right (and a positive right, hardly natural), it's just giving the opportunity for the government to take it away or morph it into something unsatisfactory with little to no repercussions except to put up or shut up (at least with private insurance, there is competition). It's also ensuring that tons of monies sink into the corrupt bureaucratic sinkhole where graft and corruption run rampant. It scares the living sh*t out of me way more than a private company seeking to make a profit. Frankly, in an ideal world, the insurance companies and the govt (middlemen) would be cut out altogether and doctors would compete for services and deal directly with patients.

                      From a personal perspective, I'm self-employed and not currently insured, and this should be my CHOICE. I don't abuse emergency rooms for headaches and other nonsensical standard care or hypochondriac type complaints. The mandate would suck another grand out of my meager income as it is already.

                      Maybe this will be the catalyst that finally causes a huge swath of people to take a tax holiday. That would bring some real change, real quick.

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                      • Shpira
                        Angry Boy Child
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 4969

                        #12
                        Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                        Frankly, in an ideal world, the insurance companies and the govt (middlemen) would be cut out altogether and doctors would compete for services and deal directly with patients.
                        thats how it was. Then they realised "hey if we all agree to raise our prices they will have no choice but to pay" and thats how you end up with simple surgeries costing over 20k and medication over 100 dollars.

                        It's also ensuring that tons of monies sink into the corrupt bureaucratic sinkhole where graft and corruption run rampant. It scares the living sh*t out of me way more than a private company seeking to make a profit.
                        So by implication you are saying that unregulated corporations exercise more social responsibility than your own government?
                        I think thats not true...its getting there but not any where near yet.

                        From a personal perspective, I'm self-employed and not currently insured, and this should be my CHOICE. I don't abuse emergency rooms for headaches and other nonsensical standard care or hypochondriac type complaints.
                        it would be worth it in the long run...saving lives etc

                        Personally I would prefer to have a choice not to spend my money on the military
                        The Idiots ARE Winning.


                        "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
                        Mark Twain

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                        • DIDI
                          Aussie Pest
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 16844

                          #13
                          Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                          Vinnie , every argument you use was used here, and it didn't happen! We ended up with a good, not perfect, health system that doesn't cost a fortune and nobody lost jobs , in fact the private sector is very much alive and well. Your country would be so much better off. As I said before healthier means economically healthier as well. It's not about rights, it's about plain common sense. It's bloody nice to know if some drunk smashes into you, you will get the best care available and it won't cost you.

                          Btw has anyone got a link to read the whole bill ?? I googled but couldn't find it all.

                          Btw your statement about people using ERs for headaches, hypochondria etc. The numbers didn't go up. The same nutters still do it
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                          • floridaorange
                            I'm merely a humble butler
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 29116

                            #14
                            Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                            Originally posted by DIDI
                            Vinnie , every argument you use was used here, and it didn't happen! We ended up with a good, not perfect, health system that doesn't cost a fortune and nobody lost jobs , in fact the private sector is very much alive and well. Your country would be so much better off. As I said before healthier means economically healthier as well. It's not about rights, it's about plain common sense. It's bloody nice to know if some drunk smashes into you, you will get the best care available and it won't cost you.

                            Btw has anyone got a link to read the whole bill ?? I googled but couldn't find it all.

                            Btw your statement about people using ERs for headaches, hypochondria etc. The numbers didn't go up. The same nutters still do it
                            Great points Didi.

                            It was fun while it lasted...

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                            • res0nat0r
                              Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                              • May 2006
                              • 14475

                              #15
                              Re: A Liberal Re-assesses Obamacare

                              Originally posted by DIDI
                              Vinnie , every argument you use was used here, and it didn't happen! We ended up with a good, not perfect, health system that doesn't cost a fortune and nobody lost jobs , in fact the private sector is very much alive and well. Your country would be so much better off. As I said before healthier means economically healthier as well. It's not about rights, it's about plain common sense. It's bloody nice to know if some drunk smashes into you, you will get the best care available and it won't cost you.

                              Btw has anyone got a link to read the whole bill ?? I googled but couldn't find it all.

                              Btw your statement about people using ERs for headaches, hypochondria etc. The numbers didn't go up. The same nutters still do it

                              +100

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