All Vinyl Dj Sets

[GAVIN.MCAVOY]

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iv had a rattle at mixing on my bro's abelton and after takin a while to get the hang of it,i understand the simplicity of havin everything u want to play right there in a click.but for me it takes away from the originality of djing cuz if u have ever stood+watched a top top dj flick thru their box get a tune on +start mixing within seconds you appreciate the skill envolved.whereas for me the technology has takin that magical edge off the whole experience.
wot i mean is,you wouldnt be even half as interested in carl cox standing clicking a mouse if you had the choice of watching him flying round his vinyl collection blowing your mind with the skill he has,dropping bars of a tune into the middle of another then pulling another out when your thinking he hasnt got time to mix it then firing the next one on with ease.......
that is a sight that the average joe given the option would pick to see over someone just standing stationary mixing

[Jayson]

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Carl Cox uses Traktor now

[Miroslav]

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Before..when I used Beatport alot, I would literally fall asleep searching for tracks. page after page, click after click, granted I was able to obtain stuff I would never have of on vinyl but going through hundreds of pages and finding nothing at 2am...well it took a toll.

Ain't that the truth... I've had the same experience.

I get it: digital is convenient, cheap, and incredibly extensive. You can theoretically find the entire world of music right at your fingertips. But something is lost in that process. I dig for tunes online and occasionally find some good stuff, but it's never a real pleasurable experience like it used to be back when I was a hard-core crate digger.

Even aside from pilgrimages up to Chicago and other big cities around me, just the record store we had in Indianapolis gave me countless of hours of weekend pleasure. You roll out late, coffee in hand, head for the store... and it's a real experience. You actually meet people and interact with them. You find out what's new on the local scene...you get into some awesome after-hours parties. I made a lot of friends digging for tunes who led me to great musical experiences all over the country. But you also dig for yourself, never knowing quite what you'll discover. Even as a picky shopper constrained by limited inventory, my yield of really good, inspiring music was much higher than it is today online. It's ironic, but I feel like it was easier for me to grow musically in those years than it is in today's digital world. And at the end of it, there was the satisfaction of knowing that you're one of the few who gets it and cares to really know this music as an art form. You gained so much more than just the music, and I'm not even talking about the fact that you owned something real at the end of it. Those were probably the golden days for me.

Today, I still like the music and yearn for it. But my main constraint is that I've had to move around a lot, and I just don't have the physical space right now to maintain and grow a record collection anymore. So now I can sit alone in front of a computer screen, clicking away on these damn links for hours. At the end of it, I've interacted with no one. And I've gone nowhere and experienced none of the real peripheral stuff that brought joy to my record hunting.

It's oftentimes a lonely, monotonous, and frustrating experience - I listen to more shitty music than should ever be humanly justifiable, and I yield one or two good tracks for like a full week's worth of searching. And all I basically have to do is move a digit about one eighth of an inch. It's taken a lot of the fun out of it.

I get that you can do a lot with the digital medium and that the sound coming out of the speaker is what ultimately matters most. And I get that digital is king now and that's just how it will be. I use it, too, and I reap benefits from it as well. But I feel sorry for people coming into the DJing movement today who never got to have even a taste of what it was like to be a part of the crate-digging club and experience something more real through the process of discovering the music. It may sound ironic to some, but it was a happier holistic experience for me digging through crates and not knowing all that was out there than solitarily clicking on virtual buttons with the whole world at my fingertips. I'm grateful I had a chance to be a part of it all before it mostly went the way of the dinosaur.

[88Mariner]

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Before..when I used Beatport alot, I would literally fall asleep searching for tracks. page after page, click after click, granted I was able to obtain stuff I would never have of on vinyl but going through hundreds of pages and finding nothing at 2am...well it took a toll.

I've gone back to those mp3 purchases that I considered "gems" and grabbed the vinyl. Why? Because I rather have it on vinyl.

To me, certain tracks require the vinyl medium instead of the digital copy. I feel that if I own the actual vinyl Im saving it (don't know from what lol) but it is it's original source...its "birth" if you will and I'll be damned if its thrown out or tossed in a crate never to be touched again while its evil clone is out there having fun.. fuck that shit!

kinda like clicking through porn. click after click after click. and then you realize you've been clicking for three hours and where the fuck has the time gone?


I'm probably the only one.

[88Mariner]

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Ain't that the truth... I've had the same experience.

I get it: digital is convenient, cheap, and incredibly extensive. You can theoretically find the entire world of music right at your fingertips. But something is lost in that process. I dig for tunes online and occasionally find some good stuff, but it's never a real pleasurable experience like it used to be back when I was a hard-core crate digger.

Even aside from pilgrimages up to Chicago and other big cities around me, just the record store we had in Indianapolis gave me countless of hours of weekend pleasure. You roll out late, coffee in hand, head for the store... and it's a real experience. You actually meet people and interact with them. You find out what's new on the local scene...you get into some awesome after-hours parties. I made a lot of friends digging for tunes who led me to great musical experiences all over the country. But you also dig for yourself, never knowing quite what you'll discover. Even as a picky shopper constrained by limited inventory, my yield of really good, inspiring music was much higher than it is today online. It's ironic, but I feel like it was easier for me to grow musically in those years than it is in today's digital world. And at the end of it, there was the satisfaction of knowing that you're one of the few who gets it and cares to really know this music as an art form. You gained so much more than just the music, and I'm not even talking about the fact that you owned something real at the end of it. Those were probably the golden days for me.

Today, I still like the music and yearn for it. But my main constraint is that I've had to move around a lot, and I just don't have the physical space right now to maintain and grow a record collection anymore. So now I can sit alone in front of a computer screen, clicking away on these damn links for hours. At the end of it, I've interacted with no one. And I've gone nowhere and experienced none of the real peripheral stuff that brought joy to my record hunting.

It's oftentimes a lonely, monotonous, and frustrating experience - I listen to more shitty music than should ever be humanly justifiable, and I yield one or two good tracks for like a full week's worth of searching. And all I basically have to do is move a digit about one eighth of an inch. It's taken a lot of the fun out of it.

I get that you can do a lot with the digital medium and that the sound coming out of the speaker is what ultimately matters most. And I get that digital is king now and that's just how it will be. I use it, too, and I reap benefits from it as well. But I feel sorry for people coming into the DJing movement today who never got to have even a taste of what it was like to be a part of the crate-digging club and experience something more real through the process of discovering the music. It may sound ironic to some, but it was a happier holistic experience for me digging through crates and not knowing all that was out there than solitarily clicking on virtual buttons with the whole world at my fingertips. I'm grateful I had a chance to be a part of it all before it mostly went the way of the dinosaur.

Luna? or the place in broadripple. Christ, i would give up a day of my life just to roll back into that shop in broadripple. there's stuff there that i've NEVER seen online (in vinyl or mp3 format). unbelievable selection, very rare shit too. i hear dj shadow stops buy ever few months just to dig around...srs

[GAVIN.MCAVOY]

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miroslav has hit he nail on the head in so many points i cudnt quote em all again.
a thing ive thought of while readin thru this again is,where does any satisfaction come from by waving a u.s.b. stick at someone an sayin 'if got 'x' amount of tunes on this.theyd just say 'yeah,great.'
even the sight of a pile of tunes,be they shit or not,has more of an impact than a bit of kit no bigger than yer finger

[Miroslav]

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Luna? or the place in broadripple. Christ, i would give up a day of my life just to roll back into that shop in broadripple. there's stuff there that i've NEVER seen online (in vinyl or mp3 format). unbelievable selection, very rare shit too. i hear dj shadow stops buy ever few months just to dig around...srs

Neither, although I'm very familiar with both... Evolving Records down in Greenwood and later on the inner East side. This place was the epicenter of local DJ culture in Indianapolis for many years. Owner used to post on here and remains a good friend... he's now in Colorado and continues his mission on www.lovevinylrecords.com.

[88Mariner]

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Neither, although I'm very familiar with both... Evolving Records down in Greenwood and later on the inner East side. This place was the epicenter of local DJ culture in Indianapolis for many years. Owner used to post on here and remains a good friend... he's now in Colorado and continues his mission on www.lovevinylrecords.com.

ah yeah, seth & mack. i think seth posts here (not since last year) and not sure about mack. i swore that place shut down! interesting that he went to colorado. did he follow Dennis Roseth out there lol. I sold them quite a few records. kinda wish i had just kept them, but whatev.

[Miroslav]

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ah yeah, seth & mack. i think seth posts here (not since last year) and not sure about mack. i swore that place shut down! interesting that he went to colorado. did he follow Dennis Roseth out there lol. I sold them quite a few records. kinda wish i had just kept them, but whatev.

yep, that's them. Our circle of friends also included this guy Brad who ran the Therapy club downtown...lots of great memories helping set the place up and seeing folks like Joel Mull and Habersham there...but the best part started after 3 am when the club closed and anywhere from 6-30 of us ended up back in Seth's basement. He had a massive DJ setup, a ton of records (ran his store out of there after the Greenwood location was gone), and an entire bar down there. Two big-sized Mackies from the club put some serious volume in the place. Lights would be off and we'd spend til morning tagging on the turntables, digging for new tunes, hanging out, and just getting down. That was pretty much every week for about two years or so. Just a small group of real heads fanatically busting out all kinds of crazy tunes all night in a dark basement on the inner East side. Those were still some of the realest, best musical experiences of my life.

[88Mariner]

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yep, that's them. Our circle of friends also included this guy Brad who ran the Therapy club downtown...lots of great memories helping set the place up and seeing folks like Joel Mull and Habersham there...but the best part started after 3 am when the club closed and anywhere from 6-30 of us ended up back in Seth's basement. He had a massive DJ setup, a ton of records (ran his store out of there after the Greenwood location was gone), and an entire bar down there. Two big-sized Mackies from the club put some serious volume in the place. Lights would be off and we'd spend til morning tagging on the turntables, digging for new tunes, hanging out, and just getting down. That was pretty much every week for about two years or so. Just a small group of real heads fanatically busting out all kinds of crazy tunes all night in a dark basement on the inner East side. Those were still some of the realest, best musical experiences of my life.

i was at the habersham gig. i knew brad, too. his wife was such a sweetheart (molly iirc). never kept in touch with him. kinda split away from the group after the drama with jerod and shannon. not sure what happened to Therapy. I was there when Lotus was THE place to be. hearing shinichi records on a big system week in and week out.....pure pleasure. tryin to think of who else was around during that period. remember faces, but not names.

[fatalfelix]

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Ain't that the truth... I've had the same experience.

I get it: digital is convenient, cheap, and incredibly extensive. You can theoretically find the entire world of music right at your fingertips. But something is lost in that process. I dig for tunes online and occasionally find some good stuff, but it's never a real pleasurable experience like it used to be back when I was a hard-core crate digger.

Even aside from pilgrimages up to Chicago and other big cities around me, just the record store we had in Indianapolis gave me countless of hours of weekend pleasure. You roll out late, coffee in hand, head for the store... and it's a real experience. You actually meet people and interact with them. You find out what's new on the local scene...you get into some awesome after-hours parties. I made a lot of friends digging for tunes who led me to great musical experiences all over the country. But you also dig for yourself, never knowing quite what you'll discover. Even as a picky shopper constrained by limited inventory, my yield of really good, inspiring music was much higher than it is today online. It's ironic, but I feel like it was easier for me to grow musically in those years than it is in today's digital world. And at the end of it, there was the satisfaction of knowing that you're one of the few who gets it and cares to really know this music as an art form. You gained so much more than just the music, and I'm not even talking about the fact that you owned something real at the end of it. Those were probably the golden days for me.

Today, I still like the music and yearn for it. But my main constraint is that I've had to move around a lot, and I just don't have the physical space right now to maintain and grow a record collection anymore. So now I can sit alone in front of a computer screen, clicking away on these damn links for hours. At the end of it, I've interacted with no one. And I've gone nowhere and experienced none of the real peripheral stuff that brought joy to my record hunting.

It's oftentimes a lonely, monotonous, and frustrating experience - I listen to more shitty music than should ever be humanly justifiable, and I yield one or two good tracks for like a full week's worth of searching. And all I basically have to do is move a digit about one eighth of an inch. It's taken a lot of the fun out of it.

I get that you can do a lot with the digital medium and that the sound coming out of the speaker is what ultimately matters most. And I get that digital is king now and that's just how it will be. I use it, too, and I reap benefits from it as well. But I feel sorry for people coming into the DJing movement today who never got to have even a taste of what it was like to be a part of the crate-digging club and experience something more real through the process of discovering the music. It may sound ironic to some, but it was a happier holistic experience for me digging through crates and not knowing all that was out there than solitarily clicking on virtual buttons with the whole world at my fingertips. I'm grateful I had a chance to be a part of it all before it mostly went the way of the dinosaur.

Nice reply ! It sounds really like my own experience. In the past I was a huge cd collector. Always went to the same vinyl/cd shops and I loved it (it was like a day out). After a little time you start talking with the shopowner and he helps you finding more and more good stuff . I have to be honest that searching for good tracks is nowadays much easier. But it's indeed not "a day out" anymore. Now it's more like: "damn, haven't checked the new stuff this week, will I dig those 20 pages wright now or will I do it tomorrow"... And when I got the tracks I like I put them in a map. I won't see the boxes shining anymore, it's just a little map on my computer that will probably be forgetten after 2 or 3 years.

[Michael^Heaven]

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@Miroslav - I couldn't said it better myself!

I'm hoping some of my favourite record shops are still open when I move. I know a lot were closing as I was leaving. I soooo miss spending an afternoon finding some sweet new & rare releases on vinyl.

[Miroslav]

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i was at the habersham gig. i knew brad, too. his wife was such a sweetheart (molly iirc). never kept in touch with him. kinda split away from the group after the drama with jerod and shannon. not sure what happened to Therapy. I was there when Lotus was THE place to be. hearing shinichi records on a big system week in and week out.....pure pleasure. tryin to think of who else was around during that period. remember faces, but not names.

Cool... That was a nice little party! I was probably right next to you, acting all obnoxious and intoxicated. We did the obligatory tag-team session in Seth's basement afterwards, and I remember Habersham getting so hazed out by the early morning that he didn't realize he was mixing into a track only in his headphones until we were like..."dude, it's silent in here for like two minutes now." Brad and Molly were oftentimes there as well - she used to mix. Brad had some pretty legit dance moves that he busted out only occasionally.

Therapy is no more, alas...not sure when exactly they pulled the plug. I guess it was unfortunately all too predictable that a place like that would ultimately have a limited lifespan in a town like Indy. Brad and Molly are still in Indianapolis last I heard as are quite a few of the other Therapy regulars, some of whom post on here now and then...

[GAVIN.MCAVOY]

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ive just came in from the the bar and my wife and sum of her friends are having a drink and listening to tunes from the late 90s on a cd.
i asked wot they wud prefer to see being mixed,ie vinyl or mp3/digital.
most of em are around the 30s to be fair but they say they appreciate seeing a dj actually mixing records in front of them rather than not knowing wot is actually going on while theyr waitin on another tune comin on.

so maybe its just generations then............

but vinyl will be back..........................................

[i!!ustrious]

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why doth thy --- automated technofaggotrists (so obsessed) --- 4/4 jocks reign supreme(?), when turntabilism, and the illest emcees get banned 'cos they play strictly thee extreme? don't get it wrong, we're sure-shot illin; discretely complete wit any DAW suite; catching wreck wit any equipment g... mos definitely. word life, bitter bustas.