What is Going on in Egypt?

[88Mariner]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

man, its the citizens of the country thats protecting it now, i had to call my friends and ask them to keep an eye for me on my parents and house so no fuckers would try to break in coz thats whats happening there now, i wish i was there rite now with my family, this sux

ok. biden says he's not a dictator. i think you could make a case for that, and i think you could make a case against it too. it really doesn't matter to me because either way you slice it, whatever mubarek is, is certainly preferable to 1) chaos and 2) an incredibly more radicalized islamic country. Lettuce be bananas, there aint no thomas jefferson coming around to lead egypt into a more democratic and secular future.

Proof you ask:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...d=&id=&pnt=346

over 2/3rd's of egyptians support a more restrictive sharia based government.



Some people are so terribly happy at watching people fight a dictator for 'democracy' without ever considering the consequences that this will ultimately have and I believe will actually play out.

Might as well say it: this is pretty much going to be a new front in the war on terror unless a miracle happens at this point.

[runningman]

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wow Mariner I am very surprised to see how pro Dictator you are.. You even came out and validated your absurdness by saying it is better than chaos...etc..

The US supports dictators.. Fact. So going to war to spread democracy is such a joke.

Oh ya and by the way Egypt is its own sovereign nation. If they don't like the leadership they can change it to whoever they want.

[88Mariner]

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Pro Dicatator? Or anti-chaos and anti-caliphate? I already explained that I don't give Mubarak carte-blanche. Guy needs to change, or replaced. But seeking revolution with NOBODY but an obvious radical muslim group to seal the power vacuum is without question a worse option. So, i choose Mabarak conditionally.

"democracy" is also a joke. Tyranny of the majority. but democracy is certainly preferable to theocracy....don't you think? no?

Why are you pro theocracy?

Of course they can change it. But lettuce be applejacks, the uneducated youth of that country don't know shit, don't care about consequences, and don't have a long-term perspective. Didn't you learn a lesson with Obama? I'm afraid this is going to be disastrous, and i certainly hope to fuck that I'm wrong.

Here's a game: obama supports the youth revolution. do you, the person who thinks he is always wrong....cede a point that he's correct here?



edit: one more thing:

this could be egypt's finest moment, or a turning point towards it's reversion to religious totalitarianism.

initially, the secular protests got my hope up. but now that it's taken a more religious tone, a more violent one (unnecessarily violent - really, museums? burning buildings?), my doubts are now verified.

makes me wonder what the status of the jails are right now...

[runningman]

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I'm not pro theocracy I'm pro people doing what they want on their land. If the elect some guy that says everyone has to wear blue, well if that's what they want and they voted for him then I don't care.

I not totally pro democracy either I am a big believer in a republic. You must protect the minority.

It is to be expected that the arab worlds would go towards Islam because it is in their nature. Also the West hasn't done a good enough job of selling Democracy. If you want people to think like you and have similar beliefs give them a better lifestyle and they will believe you. Give them a worse lifestyle then you get what you get.

I think the whole arab world is a disaster. It is just one dictator after another (house of Saud, Mubarek, Ali Khamenei). Egypt seems to be revolting because they are sick of the dictator.

[trick12]

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Might as well say it: this is pretty much going to be a new front in the war on terror unless a miracle happens at this point.

what do you mean?

[runningman]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

He means that the US will probably have to bomb it soon just like Pakistan, just like Yemen, Just like Afghanistan, Just like Iraq.

Who is a bigger threat to the USA the arab world and radical Islam or China and it's slave labor wrecking the US's economy?

[trick12]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

Pro Dicatator? Or anti-chaos and anti-caliphate? I already explained that I don't give Mubarak carte-blanche. Guy needs to change, or replaced. But seeking revolution with NOBODY but an obvious radical muslim group to seal the power vacuum is without question a worse option. So, i choose Mabarak conditionally.

"democracy" is also a joke. Tyranny of the majority. but democracy is certainly preferable to theocracy....don't you think? no?

Why are you pro theocracy?

Of course they can change it. But lettuce be applejacks, the uneducated youth of that country don't know shit, don't care about consequences, and don't have a long-term perspective. Didn't you learn a lesson with Obama? I'm afraid this is going to be disastrous, and i certainly hope to fuck that I'm wrong.

Here's a game: obama supports the youth revolution. do you, the person who thinks he is always wrong....cede a point that he's correct here?



edit: one more thing:

this could be egypt's finest moment, or a turning point towards it's reversion to religious totalitarianism.

initially, the secular protests got my hope up. but now that it's taken a more religious tone, a more violent one (unnecessarily violent - really, museums? burning buildings?), my doubts are now verified.

makes me wonder what the status of the jails are right now...

the jails are trying to stand against the break ins, altho some prisoners already escaped and the ones in the police stations..

mariner egypt is not the west ok so its ok if its ruled by shariaa and the majority there are muslims so lettuce be cucumbers

..they caught the men that broke into the museum just a bunch of complete scumbag criminals, that has nothing to do with islamists

[trick12]

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He means that the US will probably have to bomb it soon just like Pakistan, just like Yemen, Just like Afghanistan, Just like Iraq.

Who is a bigger threat to the USA the arab world and radical Islam or China and it's slave labor wrecking the US's economy?

well hopefully thats not what he means coz that'll be fuked up

[runningman]

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Celente predicted this and he says there is a lot more to come. They won't happen all at once but the revolutions are spreading.

[88Mariner]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

I'm not pro theocracy I'm pro people doing what they want on their land. If the elect some guy that says everyone has to wear blue, well if that's what they want and they voted for him then I don't care.

I not totally pro democracy either I am a big believer in a republic. You must protect the minority.

It is to be expected that the arab worlds would go towards Islam because it is in their nature. Also the West hasn't done a good enough job of selling Democracy. If you want people to think like you and have similar beliefs give them a better lifestyle and they will believe you. Give them a worse lifestyle then you get what you get.

I think the whole arab world is a disaster. It is just one dictator after another (house of Saud, Mubarek, Ali Khamenei). Egypt seems to be revolting because they are sick of the dictator.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110129-red-alert-hamas-and-muslim-brotherhood

[88Mariner]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

Celente predicted this and he says there is a lot more to come. They won't happen all at once but the revolutions are spreading.

yeah, i called for morocco and algeria to reform earlier this week. hmmm




side question: do you seriously trust the youth of today....


...the youth that spends their time playing video games

...spends time acting delinquent

...spends time ignoring responsibility

...who think 'wisdom' can be found on wikipedia

...who are persuaded by emotion more than they are of fact and logic

...who develop their digital lives on myspace and facebook at home

...who did not peacefully protest in the UK, or in Egypt, and so on

...who believe in the techno-marxist views found in zeitgiest

...who believe that money is evil

...who believes in memes, not literature

...who have become generation zero

...who have shown both narcissist and nihilist qualities....



....do you trust their judgment on knowing what is best?

before you answer, read this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012806404_4.html

key quote:

We need a just government. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Islamic or secular. The issue is justice.

[runningman]

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Oh I know all about the Muslim Brotherhood. The people are losing it like I said because the West failed at giving them a better life. Plain and simple. Of course they will go back to what they know - Islam.

I personally don;'t care radical islam. To me it is about 20th on the list of things that need to be fixed. #1 is China and Human Rights.

[runningman]

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I trust that people (Young or old) know when they feel like they are getting shit on.

What;s with all the babysitter talk? Do you think that the US gov't should wipe everyone's ass?

[88Mariner]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

Oh I know all about the Muslim Brotherhood. The people are losing it like I said because the West failed at giving them a better life. Plain and simple. Of course they will go back to what they know - Islam.

I personally don;'t care radical islam. To me it is about 20th on the list of things that need to be fixed. #1 is China and Human Rights.

how is the west supposed to give them a better life? barring invasion and regime change lol, i'm not sure what you think should have been done?

and what compels the west to do so? if, as you say, fundamentalist islam is the standard to which all islamic-dominated countries will return...what's the point?

[88Mariner]

Re: What is Going on in Egypt?

I trust that people (Young or old) know when they feel like they are getting shit on.

What;s with all the babysitter talk? Do you think that the US gov't should wipe everyone's ass?

the world would be more free, more efficient, and more respectful of human rights if every country become an additional state to our nation with rights, privileges, immunities, and freedom that comes with such citizenship.

the model is there. but few want it.