Libya

**Jenks** · March 21, 2011, 01:02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Shpira

I don't I have spend the day reading peoples comments on varies news outlet sights and one thing that strikes fear into my heart is how many uninformed, arrogant, nationalistic, racist, chauvinist assholes there are world wide.

Oh man. This is the worst. From comments left in my local online paper, to global outlets.

A person is smart, "people" are stupid.

**vinnie97** · March 21, 2011, 01:08:30 PM

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^As long as you didn't speak out against taking out Saddam whose body count far outweighs that of Qadaffi, then we're good. ;-) Man is a species but his sense of self and his (many times lacking) ability to forecast the consequences of his actions (along with the concept of conscience) put him at a level above the rest of the species. That doesn't mean he won't act selfishly or in his own best interest at the expense of others. All one has to do is look at a child whose will has yet to be broken.

**runningman** · March 21, 2011, 01:11:39 PM

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people are stupid ONLY because the media lies to them..

Democracy's Strength�An Informed Public

**res0nat0r** · March 21, 2011, 01:13:34 PM

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Originally posted by runningman

people are stupid ONLY because the media lies to them..

Srsly? Check out the Truther thread which is great evidence against this statement.

**runningman** · March 21, 2011, 01:26:21 PM

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I did check it out.. The media has lied to you my friend as they always do.

Iraq - Afghanistan- Libya - the same

**Kamal** · March 21, 2011, 01:35:51 PM

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shpira, I hear what you're saying, but by that account, history should become the sole determinant factor of all future actions? and humans should just not be given a chance to correct themselves based on mistakes of the past?

**Shpira** · March 22, 2011, 05:06:43 AM

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correct themselves??? Are you fucking serious? The war in Iraq is still going on and you are talking about correcting ourselves! We should tidy up our home before we go around trying to fix the world. put all the fuckers in jail that deserve it and publicly shame all the war criminals we have in our own countries before we go on yet another moral crusade.

He's wrong though, animals aren't better than us, we ARE animals. The difference is knowing we're animals and expecting people in power to take advantage of opportunity, or blindly thinking we're not animals and we're actually going forward as a society towards a better world. I'm a fatalist in world view, i believe there is no hope for humanity (and this could be an entirely different thread if you want to get into evolution of species and animal instincts). So taking this one little slice moment of time, I've got no problem taking out a terrorist dictator who is oppressing his people and btw who also downed a plane full of Americans many years ago, regardless of how many other atrocities are being committed every day by other people in power taking advantage of their own situation all over the world, as sad as that is. Disgusting, yes, but the way this one is being written out so far, I don't have any beef with it and I also don't have much control over it. World peace is a pipe dream, a figment of everyone's imagination, humanity can never achieve that, we're not wired that way. So in that sense, I think you take each issue as it comes, knowing you can't/won't solve every world problem.

as for the above post by Jenks...its a valid point of view but this whole argument is a cop out in my opinion. We need to take responsibility for the world we live in. WE created this and WE can change it...saying its our nature is accepting things as they are and not trying to change anything...it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

**Kamal** · March 22, 2011, 05:58:59 AM

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There we go with the US/Bush agenda and history lessons again. Yep, let's make Bush everything that is wrong with the US today and let's just all sit back and become silent spectators to atrocities of the future. It's like that retarded pro-Bush arguments you hear people make "the country hasn't been any safer since President Bush, we haven't had another attack like 9/11."

Well put me in a dress and call me Susy.

**Shpira** · March 22, 2011, 06:08:06 AM

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No...it has nothing to do with Bush and you are the one who mentioned history. It has to do with the fact that you have the same bunch of people in control and they were not punished for doing what they did before and now they are going to do it again. That is the definition of insanity you know...doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result. You can believe that something has changed if you will...but change is a sloooowwwww process.
in order to correct a mistake you must first admit to making one...I have not heard anyone in the government say anything near the truth about either of the two wars the country you live in is involved in now. The same will manifest itself as the truth about Libya in a year or two I am sure.
Again, a lot of you seem to disregard what people say just because they happen to be critical of the country you live in...why??? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you not supposed to improve the quality of your democracy with criticism and critical thinking? Or have you given up on that and accepted that whatever your country does must be correct?? I don't understand you at all.

**Kamal** · March 22, 2011, 06:14:39 AM

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If you read back in this post, you will have probably noticed a collection of things I don't give too much of a shit for, including politics in general and what the US stands to gain from it. So no I am not disregarding your comments about the US just because I live here now, I just want Ghadaffi out of power. Let's just agree to not see eye to eye on this one.

**Shpira** · March 22, 2011, 06:22:56 AM

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Oh i think he shouldn't be in power...but not this way.
Ok...agree to disagree...

**vinnie97** · March 22, 2011, 06:28:30 AM

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Yup, he's out of power and then effing what? Iraq and Afghan quagmire extended into another country.

**Kamal** · March 22, 2011, 06:58:48 AM

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well let's swallow this new pill we've unpacked first aye?

**DIDI** · March 22, 2011, 07:54:06 AM

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Originally posted by Shpira

No...it has nothing to do with Bush and you are the one who mentioned history. It has to do with the fact that you have the same bunch of people in control and they were not punished for doing what they did before and now they are going to do it again. That is the definition of insanity you know...doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result. You can believe that something has changed if you will...but change is a sloooowwwww process.
in order to correct a mistake you must first admit to making one...I have not heard anyone in the government say anything near the truth about either of the two wars the country you live in is involved in now. The same will manifest itself as the truth about Libya in a year or two I am sure.
Again, a lot of you seem to disregard what people say just because they happen to be critical of the country you live in...why??? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you not supposed to improve the quality of your democracy with criticism and critical thinking? Or have you given up on that and accepted that whatever your country does must be correct?? I don't understand you at all.

Thank you for this and your previous posts . Like a breath of fresh air.

**vinnie97** · March 22, 2011, 08:56:52 AM

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Originally posted by Kamal

well let's swallow this new pill we've unpacked first aye?

You go right ahead...up next: Iran, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria....

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