So Windows 8 then...

[feather]

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MS Office is looking pretty shit these days too.

[Simon Preston]

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Heck once you've used the above hack to change the mobile view of Windows 8 to classic Windows 7-ish, it's the exact same OS.

I'd say that's a somewhat unfair judgement to be making at this stage. This isn't even a beta and many changes are usually under the hood at this stage, as opposed to the "in your face - ah yes, that's different" parts. Any new features and additions will be incorporated at a later date. Besides, I have seen earlier builds that did have various differences between it and Windows 7.
Windows 7 is a bloody good OS and it's important for Microsoft to continue building on that and moving it in the right direction. Of course 8 is basically going to be 7 with a bit more, why wouldn't it be?

Microsoft's made some bad mistakes over the years, but lately they really seem to have finally realised their position is under threat and working to make the whole PC experience a lot better for the consumer. Having Apple in a very strong position again is all good for us.

[Kamal]

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Dont' get me wrong Si, I love Windows 7 as much as the next M$ fan-boi, but to have taken 17 years to release an OS that was an all rounder from launch, shouldn't be considered as a real pat on the back for them. Granted XP was ahead of its time but it had it's flaws (I hated the native look of XP). The launch of Windows 7 for Microsoft was better than any OS release and in my opinion, is a solid MS product.

Most releases from M$ of late have been to play catch up. This isn't anything revolutionary or even evolutionary, it's self-inducing change for the sake of making something "new" to keep in the running, be it a little bit of the same old thing with a fancy new top hat.

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[Illuminate]

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This is going to be interesting...

The Kill Switch Comes to the PC

A feature common in phones will let Microsoft remotely disable malware

Janne Kytömäki, a Finnish software developer, was cruising Google’s Android Market for smartphone apps last year when he noticed something strange. Dozens of best-selling applications suddenly listed the same wrong publisher. It was as if Stephen King’s name had vanished from the covers of his books, replaced by an unknown author. Kytömäki realized the culprit was a piece of malware that was spreading quickly, and he posted his findings online.
Google responded swiftly. It flipped a little-known kill switch, reaching into more than 250,000 infected Android smartphones and forcibly removing the malicious code. “It was sort of unreal, watching something like that unfold,” says Kytömäki, who makes dice simulator apps. Kill switches are a standard part of most smartphones, tablets, and e-readers. Google, Apple, and Amazon all have the ability to reach into devices to delete illicit content or edit code without users’ permission. It’s a powerful way to stop threats that spread quickly, but it’s also a privacy and security land mine.
With the rollout of the Windows 8 operating system expected later this year, millions of desktop and laptop PCs will get kill switches for the first time. Microsoft hasn’t spoken publicly about its reasons for including this capability in Windows 8 beyond a cryptic warning that it might be compelled to use it for legal or security reasons. The feature was publicized in a widely cited Computerworld article in December when Microsoft posted the terms of use for its new application store, a feature in Windows 8 that will allow users to download software from a Microsoft-controlled portal. Windows smartphones, like those of its competitors, have included kill switches for several years, though software deletion “is a last resort, and it’s uncommon,” says Todd Biggs, director of product management for Windows Phone Marketplace.
Microsoft declined to answer questions about the kill switch in Windows 8 other than to say it will only be able to remove or change applications downloaded through the new app store. Any software loaded from a flash drive, DVD, or directly from the Web will remain outside Microsoft’s control. Still, the kill switch is a tool that could help Microsoft prevent mass malware infections. “For most users, the ability to remotely remove apps is a good thing,” says Charlie Miller, a researcher with the security company Accuvant.
The history of kill switches on smartphones and e-readers suggests they’re double-edged swords for the companies that wield them. In 2009, Amazon reached into users’ Kindles to delete e-book copies of George Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm that had been sold by a publisher without the necessary rights. The ensuing backlash caused Amazon Chief Executive Officer Jeff Bezos to call the move “stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles.”
The reluctance of tech companies to set explicit policies for when they will and will not use kill switches contributes to the fear they’ll be abused. Civil rights and free speech advocates worry that tech companies could be pressured by governments to delete software or data for political reasons. “You have someone who has absolute control over my hard drive in ways I may have never anticipated or consented to,” says Eric Goldman, director of the High Tech Law Institute at Santa Clara University’s law school in California. “If they use that power wisely, they actually make my life better. We don’t know if they use the power wisely. In fact, we may never know when they use their power at all.”
Hiroshi Lockheimer, Google’s vice president of Android engineering, says the search company reserves the use of the kill switch for “really egregious, really obvious cases” of harmful content. Microsoft’s Biggs says the company has used the functionality in its smartphones only for “technical issues and content issues.” Apple declined to comment. Amazon did not respond to several messages.
Like many in his profession, Kevin Mahaffey, co-founder of the San Francisco startup Lookout, which makes security software for smartphones, expresses mixed emotions about the emergence of kill switches. “The remote removal tools are very much a response to the mistakes of the PC era,” he says. “Whether or not it’s an overcorrection, I think history will tell us. It can be done right, but we as an industry need to tread carefully. It’s easy to imagine several dystopian futures that can arise from this.”
One supporter is Janne Kytömäki, the Finn who discovered the Android malware outbreak. He says Google did the right thing by deleting the malware without users’ permission. “What was the alternative?” he says. “Leave those apps installed on 200,000 people’s mobiles? This is something that had to be done.”
The bottom line: Kill switches can improve computer security, but they worry privacy and free speech advocates.
Robertson is a reporter for Bloomberg News in San Francisco.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...-02162012.html

[feather]

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I'm intrigued.

[Kamal]

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it's going to be some time before we really see windows 8 taking off. I feel trying to make this massive leap of faith by turning their daily bread and butter OS into such a drastic migration towards the tablet platform could very well fire back in their face. heck just having compatibility issues for drivers on Vista resulted in the company taking so much flack, I don't know how this will go down for the PC world.

[feather]

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OS X is also headed that way, ie, a unified OS. TBH not a big fan of OS X Mountain Lion. Windows 8 might be on the right track with a 'fresh' slate. On the whole it's quite applaudable for MS to take such a leap, it's usually Apple that's quite ruthless about moving forward and throwing backward-compatibility/whatever to the wind.

[thebanned1]

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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/download

preview is out now

[poults]

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I put the preview on a tablet we have at work and after getting used to it i must admit that is a lot better than i imagined before i tried it. Bit of a pain having the desktop with the touch side of things as they have removed the start button, so seems pointless having it in there at all. As for performance, very good imo, scrolling between apps/screens is very smooth, no lag and no notorious BSOD (if its still that colour).