holy.shit. now i think we need to invade the whole place.

[face]

oh dear. what have you done?


first of all, i'm sick of people using words like "they" and Islam" as if they were all samuel huntington's bitch lapdogs.

yes, what took place in that video is without a doubt disturbing and wrong.

there is not one "Islam" and there is not one "Shari'a" (btw. it's not just Islamic law, it's how to live your life) or interpretation thereof. when a state is a theocracy, or when a state appoints its Islamic jurists to further its agendas, these jurists will undoubtedly interpret the Islamic texts any way that suits them.

so don't be ignorant and think that Islam is a monolithic faith. the stoning part didn't make me as sick as the poorly done "religion of peace?" message attached. uhh, remember the crusades? western christians massacred eastern christians, jews and muslims (and even ate them for sustenance).

but then again religion makes people think, say and do crazy shit. there's no other way to put it.

and sammwalk, our societies have lots in common. it's precisely when you say things like that that we get into trouble.

there is no clash of civilizations, as huntington would have it. a civilization is just a label we used to refer to mode in which we organize our repertoire of society. this mode is outdated in the post-modern era in which we live. perhaps one could discuss a clash of globalizations, different worldviews which disagree on how the world should look today.

[thesightless]

Re: holy.shit. now i think we need to invade the whole place

face, you right, hence the first line of the post

ignore the Muslim in action quote on the bottom/

its been done in some of the more isolated places in south america and africa as well,. i remember hearing about a guy who was burned alive tied to a tree in a brazilian town because he raped a 12 year old girl about 3 years ago. sadly, i didnt disagree with the punishment. if he killed her, at least she wouldnt have to live with the scars of that for the rest of her life.

[face]

yeah, in apartheid south africa, they would put a car tire around you, douse you in gasoline and watch you as you burn...


i forget what they called it, something to do with 'ring' i believe...


oh yeah, and remember the holocaust? we are not innocent either.

[glucksmann]

drop a nuclear fucking bomb on the middle east and end all the suffering. They are so unhappy to live, so kill them all. Im not fucking kidding!

[face]

drop a nuclear fucking bomb on the middle east and end all the suffering. They are so unhappy to live, so kill them all. Im not fucking kidding!

great idea genius.

it's people like you who make me sick.

who said they are unhappy to live? just because they don't live your lifestyle? that's called fascism.

[Yao]

About the tyres:

They call it necklacing: tie your hands, hang a petrol-filled tyre around your neck, ignite it and watch you burn to a slow and painful death.

[face]

thanks yao

[Leha]

animals..

[sammwalk]

and sammwalk, our societies have lots in common. it's precisely when you say things like that that we get into trouble.

there is no clash of civilizations, as huntington would have it. a civilization is just a label we used to refer to mode in which we organize our repertoire of society. this mode is outdated in the post-modern era in which we live. perhaps one could discuss a clash of globalizations, different worldviews which disagree on how the world should look today.

Perhaps I should phrase it differently: Our systems are different. We all want the same thing, and we're all people, but our systems are different. You say civilization is a mode of organization of people (and I say you're right), but such mode differences are what winds up causing conflict. The differences are not inherent- they are caused by race, geographic location, history, circumstance, etc. But they are still there. This is why you have some people on the forum who want to randomly bomb people and some who have this perspective or that.

It is when we start exporting our worldview that we must take a look and say, well, what makes US right? I don't think it's any of our government's business to do anything about other countries' customs which are different than our own. Now, if one wants to change that belief system as an individual or start a group that is interested in such noble acts, be my guest. It is not the role of government to police other nations, nor is it to judge other countries' law and deem it worthy of war.

[Marimba]

that video is a horrible thing to see......but i can understand that....in other places, like Iran, have an affair is the worst thing that you can do. Honur is a value that they respect a lot.

For example, here in Peru, in the Andes (at the Mountains), is a thieft is caught, he is gonna be killed by punches and gonna be torched alive.
why is that? in that zones, the people are so poor, that if you are caugh stole, you are dead. The worst thing to do to poor people is to stole the only thing that they have to survive. So that?s why they kill you for that. sounds fair to me.

[face]

very true indeed.

what people don't know is that there are only 5 crimes in islam that are considered crimes against god (huquq allah):

fornication (adultery)

irhab (originally highway robbery, now refers to terrorism)

theft

drinking of wine

false accusation of fornication


notice how murder is not on that list (it is considered a crime against humans, with differing consequences)

[Marimba]

so...to those people that wants to bomb these people. why dont you take a book and try to find a reason or and explication for these behaviour.

bombing is always the easiest solution

[mylexicon]

After seeing reading this post i have become an isolationist. I'm getting
tired of dealing with other cultures. No more saving the world, no more
AIDS supplies, no more tsunami aid, all troops out of Europe and let
them fend for themselves. Put up huge barbed wire fences and shoot
everyone who crosses into our country.

I don't care about human rights, the U.N., Kuwait, NK, Somalia, or Bosnia. I don't care about Asian textile workers or about people who
get stoned for committing adultery.

Beggars can't be choosers. If your country is defunct and you take our
money, you belong to us from that point on. I WANT A FUCKING RETURN
ON ALL THE MONEY WE GIVE AWAY INSTEAD OF THIS GODDAM HEADACHE!!!!!

k, i'm done

[Yao]

Want me to sing you a sleeping song?

[mylexicon]

yes please