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[bullshit by me]reading this brought some further thoughts to me last night with regards to whether the ISI knew he was there or not, i think yes they did and although this might sound a bit daft i,ll try and explain myself...
ok although osama's location was said to have been known since august last year they didn't really act upon it for quite a while, there could of been a few reasons why this happened and in my mind i,m almost convinced that it was the ISI that found him, ok heres why[/bullshit by me]
a: its been said that navy seals had life like models of the compound they used to train for the mission!! now how would they have known what the building was like inside? its not as if they could just run up to the local architect and ask him for the building plans! they would not have been able to build a complete replica of the building from satalite images alone! so from that point of view its obvious thats there was some sort of watch put on the place to what ever degree.
b: when the mission was carried out the seals flew 2 helicopters ( although under radar ) and had a 38 minute gun battle 1000 yards from a huge military base...if u think about it surely the noise of both the helicopters and also the gunshots would of been noticed in the camp as i,m sure the sound would of travelled that far...so why didn't they gather a group of troops and go out to the location to see what was going on...surely an event of this kind is a serious security threat when its carried out so close to a military base ? and why did it take 30 minutes for the pakistani's to scramble jets ? and also how did the americans know that jets were scrambled after all there was supposedly only a group of seals and a 2 helicopter pilots in the area ? ( actually saying that now i,m sure there would of been other seals/cia operatives in the area )
[bullshit by me]c: the pakistani government is actually shitting itself for fear of backlash from al qaeda especially knowing that they were in fact part of the capture of their "glorious" leader... i,m sure if this was confirmed then you would see a shit load of attacks being carried out as revenge on the pakistani people? which kinda bring me to another reason i think this was all part of the plan and another reason why the attack wasn't carried out sooner than it was because the americans would of known this and put their spin doctors on the case to cook up some sort of get out for pakistan...imo i think this was all planned right from the start and this is why i think the ISI knew about this all the time[/bullshit by me]
d: the above story bring up another valid point about the legalities of the mission and i think this is another reason why it took so long was the fact that the americans had to go through the proper legal procedure when planning the mission
Last edited by thebanned1; May 10, 2011, 05:24:23 PM.
Reason: some random rambling ( probably like 90% of my posts in here )
so this Kurt Haskell dude is a lawyer and this makes his story more credible ? at the end of the day he saw 2 american guys escorting a man without a passport onto a flight and immediately came to the conclusion that the 2 american guys were CIA officials ? i,m quite sure of a couple of things here
1: those american guys had a huge sign above their heads saying " HI WERE THE CIA " so in fact Kurt Haskell must be correct in assuming that these were US officials due to the big sign... at the end of the day he really has no evidence to who both these american guys were and as a lawyer i,m actually quite shocked that he made these claims without actual hard evidence. can u actually show me compelling evidence that his claims are justified ?
This story broke originally on The Boston Times on the day of the event. What I find strange is it was not mentioned on one single news channel in the UK. The only way he could justify his claims would be to get some footage from the Airport in Amsterdam, however the US government have made no statement about his claim. However you have made the mistake RM has, he's saying its the CIA you're saying its Al Qaeda and there is very little evidence to suggest either.
Originally posted by thebanned1
2: the CIA are not stupid, why risk taking a bomb into a foreign country with the risk of it being defective and actually exploding while they are in the company of a man going through a foreign airport with it strapped to him.. the potential back lash of this happening would have dire consequence for all involved.. i,ve seen countries going to war for less.
Personally I don't think this bomb was ever intended it go off. Both the pants bomber and the shoe bomber's devices failed to detonate. Both these men where suffering from degrees of mental illness. I think they where both manipulated into doing the acts they attempted. The devices failed to detonate you tell us "al qaeda extremely cunning and particularly snide, well funded and with exceptionally clever guys" but on 2 attempts they could not make an explosive that could detonate. For this to be true they are at best incompetent and maybe don't give a shit. So who benefited from the acts? I think all these 2 act did was sustain fear amongst the general public.
Originally posted by thebanned1
4:Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab as a man on a mission where he knew he was going to die in the name of jihad or whatever would sell his soul to the enemy and carry out a mission for them to make it harder for other attacks to be performed by al qaeda oh and knowing of course that the CIA had given him a defective bomb then go and burn his the nut sack off. but i,m sure you could say thats he turned @ the last minute and the CIA told him that permanently disfiguring himself for life is the only way out.
I think if this was a genuine attack they would have used one of their super solders and not some bloke how had some health issues
Originally posted by thebanned1
my personal view on this one is that al qaeda are becoming more and more clever in planning out their attacks as they have had to since security has tightened up and the worlds forces close in on them... they are like terrorists the world has never seen before, extremely cunning and particularly snide, well funded and with exceptionally clever guys planning out stuff for them.
I also think they are a little shell shocked by the response of the worlds forces in tackling them and i think this is why you see fewer attacks due to the fear of exposing themselves in the process and ALSO why you are seeing cunning well planned out attacks when they actually do 1.
I think if there is some network of terrorists they are a best incompetent and maybe don’t give a fuck.
The Printer Cartridge along with the so called Shoe Bomber and the Pants Bomber stories are even more bizarre. You would think this underground network would be able to make a bomb that was actually able to detonate. I think the bombs where never intended to go off. The where staged just so the government could sustain this idea that terror is still out there. If there hadn’t been these so called acts of terror. I think a lot of people would be asking a lot more questions about their governments.
You only have to look into the history of the leader of the so called 7/7 bomber. He was picked up by the US Government then released because he was working for MI5. On the day of the bombings he left the UK. I think he manipulated these 4 people into carry out the attack and I’m not sure if they all knew what they where doing.
Now the terrorists have moved from Martyrdom to parcel bombing we should expect more incidents and on a bigger scale. Why send 4 ink cartridges when you can send 400? Why post them from the other side of the world when you can post them internally. Why keep targeting planes when you can target trains, buses or shopping malls a lot easier? You only have to look at the terror campaign that the IRA used in the 70’s through to the 90’s. We had car bombs used on shopping malls, mortar attacks on airports, assassinations of police, the armed forces, prison guards and politicians. But these days all we see are bungled bombing attempts.
9/11 was probably the biggest act of terrorism ever, but how did the terrorist go from something that must have took a lot of planning to the pants bomber
9/11 was probably the biggest act of terrorism ever, but how did the terrorist go from something that must have took a lot of planning to the pants bomber
Those two guys were just some idiots trying to kill people because they thought the US was the enemy. Sure they may have flown overseas to meet some dudes and talk about a way they can kill people, but trained like Navy Seals? No way. Shit the underwear dumbass picked the flight to Detroit because it was cheapest.
Honestly what has come out of this idiots? Just pissing more people off waiting in line at airports, being able to see some folks naked in a 3d scanner is all. Nothing much else, and we can see how well the 3d scanner thing has gone over...
Every idiot who does anything with a bomb I don't think should automatically be labeled as Al Quaeda, because it prob ain't so imo...but the media does like to sensationalize things like they always have. Lame.
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