Who thinks Bush is a great american president?

[face]

ehh, didn't see that someone else had mentioned it in that other thread...


apologies

[jeffrey collins]

I think he should be tried for war crimes. He knew there weren't weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and still made our troops go over there and get rid of saddam. When we really should have went to saudi arabia and turned that pile of sand into glass.

But since they didn't find the WOMD no one seems to be publicly accusing him of war crimes that he deserves. There really ended up being no real reason to get saddam out of power there. He was just a distraction from the real problem over there.

When it comes to saddam the president we should blame for that is the older Bush, the guy who didn't go ALL THE WAY as he said we were to free those people. I think he was the guy that really began the fuck-up of this country.

[Yao]

"Resjpect my authoritay!" - That could be him, too

Thank for the link Face, that is a damn good read! You know, thanks to this forum, I may very well be one of the best informed students in my class on UN Security Council, which involves a lot on US foreign politics, and in general about politics in the world. This forum is a hell of a contribution to my general knowledge base...hope it's the same for more people around here.

[geddon]

noone faults him for attacking afghanistan and he had (largely) the full support of his nation at that time

he then moved to attack iraq on a totally invalidated basis of WMD. he also argued that iraq was mixed in with afghanistan in the terrorist attacks on the US despite clear evidence to the contrary. it is irrefutable that he presented evidence to support his case against iraq with full knowledge that the evidence was shaky or even likely false. he was clearly motivated, in large part, by the desire to control iraqi oil and to get revenge for them trying to kill his dad (he blurted this out at least once).

he initiated the patriot act. portions have already been invalidated as unconstitutional yet Bush wants even further invasions of our privacy despite his oath to support the constitution.

he provides heavy tax cuts (largely for corporations and higher tax brackets) during a time of huge deficit from maintenance of war

he is obviously against separation of church and state despite his oath to uphold the constitution

he is obviously in the pocket of major corporations (he himself has giant interests in some of these corporations, but this is true of quite a large number of presidents throughout history. it is still an ugly motivation for a president)

he now wants to privatize social security despite the vast majority of the senate and house clearly standing against it (it looks like he will have to drop this issue)

he is making very ominous signs of possibly attacking iran

to summarize my problems with the man: his flagrant lies to support his agenda have pissed me off, i don't like the popular strategy of republicans spending without limit and passing the burden of paying it back to a democratic president, i don't feel we are justified in attacking an entire country if the terrorism inside constitutes a few hundred persons, and i feel that spitting on the UN is a poor method of uniting the world.

despite my belief that he actually has a general goal of being a good president it is hard for me to find anything he has done to be beneficial to my country except for attacking afghanistan which was still tarnished in my eyes because we attacked an entire country (with large numbers of civilian deaths and discomfort) that had perhaps hundreds of terrorists.

one well respected study found that due to our conflicts in the mideast we are now far more in danger of terrorist attacks

oh yeah, and verified documents show that Bush ok'd the torture of prisoners.

Bush.......what a guy.........

( i know this will incite some to flame but i hope they are based on facts of what bush has done rather than comparisons to other presidents which is really irrelevant)

[33L]

I definitely do not like what George Bush is doing. He has exploited the gullibility of many an American, most of whom are probably pretty good people. George Bush has stated that the Christian God told him to run for president because he would be needed during a great time of tragedy in America. He is so full of shit, and I feel sorry for those of you who posted in this thread who believe he has or will perform a single morally justified action during his entire presidency.

[pillot]

do you really think he came into Iraque to set freedom ???
i don't think so.
and i can't agree that such a stupid person can head a country.

[fishingnut]

[quote="Gonzo"][quote="thesightless"]

Why USA feels that have to free every single country in the world? Historically they've never acted (or at least, not often) just to be happy with their concious... there was always a power or economic topic besides.

[quote]

this is what I don't get, when we sat back and waited for trouble to come to us, we where told that we only care about America, when we try to do the right thing and help a country out, same argument, America out there pushing there views. so you see it's a no win situation for the US

[fishingnut]

[quote="Gonzo"]

Let's see France... their congress doesn't talk about tiranism in other countries, they just let them be. Why can't they see that some people just want to stay as they are? Let's ask ourselves, is it democracy that important that thousands of people have to die for it in hands of others? Is democracy worth a die?

france has made alot of money in these countries, don't let there non action mean there letting them be.

[fishingnut]

I think he should be tried for war crimes. He knew there weren't weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and still made our troops go over there and get rid of saddam. When we really should have went to saudi arabia and turned that pile of sand into glass.

ya he was the only one saying there where wmds

we where not the only country to say they saddam had wmds so get off this kick already

[face]

there's a reason why the US doesn't ratify the rome statute for the ICC

[davetlv]

not sure thats the reason face. . . might be something more akin to not trusting the ICC to actually act fairly. . . but thats just my thought!

[face]

yeah i know. it was more of a joke than anything

but it is true that no administration of ours (whatever political leaning) would want its military to be subject to the ICC. hypocritical, but understandably so...

[toasty]

incompetence + reckless bravado + sense of entitlement = the worst president I've seen in my lifetime.

I've been through why I think Bush is bad for the country ad nasuem in this forum and won't rehash it here. I think he means well and sincerely believes he's doing the right thing, but both his policies and the way he has attempted to implement them are seriously lacking...

[33L]

I think he means well and sincerely believes he's doing the right thing, but both his policies and the way he has attempted to implement them are seriously lacking...

that's putting him in the most positive light possible, and I sincerely hope you are right. Because the opposite is dreadfully depressing.

[fishingnut]

incompetence + reckless bravado + sense of entitlement = the worst president I've seen in my lifetime.

incompetence + reckless bravado + sense of entitlement = just about 1/2 or more of the world leader today.not only mr.bush