C++ and C# programmers

[Paul Louth]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

There's shit loads of resource on the net, and as Chris pointed out the MSDN is very useful. One of the best resources actually comes installed with Visual Studio.NET

Check ...\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7\1033\C# Language Specification.doc

It coveres everything, has useful examples and gives comparisons with C++.

Paul

[Neo]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

This isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO, having to go completely OO can be very restrictive and feel somewhat pointless.

Only if you do it wrong

I agree with you Paul. That is a bunch of bunk that Java makes it more restrictive because of it's "objectiveness". If you break your program down into the objects you are supposed to have. You'll find your program much easier to maintain. I think you need to learn object oriented techniques unrelated to any programming language. This will allow you to focus on the concepts and not the syntax and how these are implemented based on a particular language. Read up on subclassing, inheritence, interfaces, etc and get a strong understanding of these before saying that Java is restrictive. I'm fairly new to Java but one thing I do know is this puppy is definately not restrictive. I think it's that you are just most comfortable with C++. If anything Java will make you a better programmer. :wink:

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

[Paul Louth]

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

Only for 10 years or so

[superEGO72]

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

Only for 10 years or so

so .. paul .. not only are you a working dj (a job i want) but you are also a software engineer (a job i want).

screw the economy and screw you

[NastyD]

Thanks for the tips and links guys

[ultramdma]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

major geekness

[nightfly]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

This isn't necessarily a bad thing IMO, having to go completely OO can be very restrictive and feel somewhat pointless.

Only if you do it wrong

Maybe. I think perhaps a case of different viewpoints though..

Either way, I'm happy using C++ the way I do at the moment, even if it's frowned upon by some

[Chris Micali]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

For a living and for fun, although its been a year or two since i've done any personal development. I'm actually on a C# project right now.

[Chris Micali]

Oh finally I found it again, this article is really, really good

http://www.itgatewaysolutions.com/articles/CPlusAndCSharp.htm

I think that's about as complete as it gets

[Neo]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

For a living and for fun, although its been a year or two since i've done any personal development. I'm actually on a C# project right now.

Awesome. That's how your productions are so good. Technically minded.

I want to pick up C# after I get a Java cert. There's so much you can do with Java. I'm on a J2EE project right now. My first taste of Java and I'm doing servlets & jsp's.

[nasserd]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

For a living and for fun, although its been a year or two since i've done any personal development. I'm actually on a C# project right now.

Awesome. That's how your productions are so good. Technically minded.

I want to pick up C# after I get a Java cert. There's so much you can do with Java. I'm on a J2EE project right now. My first taste of Java and I'm doing servlets & jsp's.

Sorry, I gotta laugh. Java is mostly theory, man. Even after 10 years, it is still mostly theory. I have yet to see the fully OO and fully functional Java-based OS they raved about 10 years ago as its truest potential. Most J2EE projects started in 98-2001 ended unsuccessfully (somewhere about 80%) according to stats gathered in 2003-early 2004.

As you will soon discover, .NET is truly pushing the envelope of both GUI-based and data-driven applications in every tier (w/o having to learn different toolkits for each core functionality). With .NET 2.0 around the bend, it is truly amazing.

I have been programming for 9 years, and have got my hands on all the shit MS put out this week (the Express line of tools, as well as VS.NET 2005 Beta 1). IN due time, I'm gonna migrate from pre-.NET to .NET 2.0. This whole .NET 1.0/1.1 is really a joke. It's nothing but an intro, not the good stuff.

If I'm wrong, at least I'll die rich

[Paul Louth]

Chris & Paul. Do you guys also do programming for a living?

Only for 10 years or so

so .. paul .. not only are you a working dj (a job i want) but you are also a software engineer (a job i want).

screw the economy and screw you

So you'll probably hate it even more when I tell you the software-development I do is writing games for PS2/XBox/Gamecube

[arno999]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

c# dont allow multiple Inheritance :cry:

[Paul Louth]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

You don't need multiple inheritance. Flattening out hierarchies is a good thing, and allows you to move modules around later without huge dependencies. Loosely coupling classes using interfaces and messaging is better than using multiple inheritance imo.

Paul

[Neo]

Re:: C++ and C# programmers

Sorry, I gotta laugh. Java is mostly theory, man. Even after 10 years, it is still mostly theory. I have yet to see the fully OO and fully functional Java-based OS they raved about 10 years ago as its truest potential. Most J2EE projects started in 98-2001 ended unsuccessfully (somewhere about 80%) according to stats gathered in 2003-early 2004.

As you will soon discover, .NET is truly pushing the envelope of both GUI-based and data-driven applications in every tier (w/o having to learn different toolkits for each core functionality). With .NET 2.0 around the bend, it is truly amazing.

You sound like Microsoft's little marketing boy. You're definately a pro-Microsoft programmer which I was as well until I started learning about Java so I won't argue with you but Java does have it's place. As far as projects being unsuccessful, that's probably true with ALL software projects. Many are over budget, take too much time and get canceled. It's the nature of the business it has nothing to due with the technology really. The thing about microsoft is all there products are so integrated so RAD is possible. People are more impressed with getting something completed in the shortest time. As the open-source movement grows I see Java and/or C# becoming even more popular. Why else do you think Microsoft made C#?