Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

[sammwalk]

Re: FUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS!!!

But the fact that Artoo's jets...Darth Vader should have been in the suit and established by the end of the second movie. The destruction of the Jedi should have taken longer. Here would be a good place to create a connection between Boba and Darth.

I can't think of any others right now, but there are more...

Trust me, I'm not being a dick when I say this but...did you write the story?? Did you think it all up in your head?? So how can you say how things "should" be??? These are a completely different set of movies, telling a completely different story, and all you have done it compare them to the first trilogy. There is ALOT that is not explained in the movies, important secondary characters names, how certain things happened, that phenomenon is not exclusive to this new trilogy. If one does not care enough to find this information out (not only through the books) that's too damn bad, and give no one the right to post some stupid shit on the Internet saying "FUCK YOU, THE MAN WHO WITHOUT NONE OF THIS WOULD EXSIST!!!!"

Everyone keeps going off on the horrible acting of this trilogy...Ok, how many best acting Oscars were won for the first?? As far as I remember, none. How many awards did it win for the special effects, many. But this trilogy is "all about the effects at the expense of the acting???" Ok, Star Wars doesn't have the ground breaking appeal that it did when it came out, I understand that, but I also don't see that as the problem. To me it's the "nothing's as good as the original" mentality. I love the originals, I grew up with them, collected the toys, comic books, you name it. That does not stop me from seeing these movies on their own. I think "Revenge of the Sith" is the best one...period. I can seperate myself from the nostalgia of the Star Wars of my youth and see it for what it is...a kick ass movie.

Some of your points are so off the wall I don't know how to respond. Not '70s enough?? So George should have used some of that CGI to make Obi-Wan and Anakin's hair grow over their ears??? Special effects are too "clean??" So he should have purposely used cameras mounted on hand carts again?? Even though the ENTIRE reason this new trilogy was made was so he could show everyone what the first 3 were supposed to look like. The Clone Wars was never about cloning Jedis...what sense would it make to have thousannds of clone Jedis running around and then in the new series be like "Well....they're all gone. They were wiped out...by themselves." C3PO was made by Anakin, but aside from that, since it's HIS story, if he wants to make it true...doesn't that make it true?? Sam Jackson doesn't "fit" as a Jedi??? And Harrison Ford, who at the time was know for American Graffiti, "fits" as an intergalactic pirate and Mark Hamill, who was best known for "Corvette Summer" does "fit" as a Jedi??? Robes are a Jedi's "normal" clothes, they were like monks or priests....why would they have any use for "regular' clothes. Could you see a Christian priest in a flight suit?? Yoda was always a part of the Jedi council, that has been known since the first time he was seen onscreen. So now we have movies that show the Jedi council and he should be...what...on vacation??? Midichlorians I'm neutral on, it doesn't add to the story or take away from it, just another part to me. "Multi-culti Jedi looks forced; too much of a rainbow." So they should all have been human just keep it more uniform, even though there were Jedi from across the universe?? The lightning could be used by anyone who reached a certain level of power within the Dark Side, it was never exclusive to the Emperor. That tells you how much of a badass Dooku was, and how much more of a badass Anakin had become by beating him so easily the second time around. Like I said, you gotta look deeper.

I mean seriously...we could go on for days. But those are some very interesting reason why a different set of movies, telling a different story are different from the ones that came before them.

Well, like I said, it is my opinion. Anyway, you haven't given any good reasons to refute my position, only emotional sputtering. I'm glad you like the new movies, but they are way off the mark as far as what we imagined them looking like after watching the first three. The continuity problems are really what bug me the most- I would have imagined that George would have intended that the movies be viewed in story order, not 4-5-6,1-2-3. As it is, all of the plot twists in the later trilogy are deflated by the prequels, and if I were making the movie I would not have done that.

Just because I didn't come up with the movies doesn't mean that I can't criticize the mistakes. Lucas is only one part of the Star Wars universe. For example, Ralph McQuarrie's artistry, which is ubiquitous in the first three movies and provides the backbone of the Star Wars look, was not present in the prequels. But did George Lucas take over? No. He hired someone else, namely Doug Chiang. Sorry!

And if this is what Lucas intended from the beginning, then we were all fooled big time.

Of course it's George Luacs's movie and he can do what he wants...but I'm sure somebody would be upset if someone else made, say, another Indiana Jones movie and it totally sucked. Like it or not, it affects the others.

I have to look deeper? It appears I already have. I'd like to hear some better reasons my opinion is wrong.

Oh well, I'll defend myself anyway, now that this discussion has totally gone geek:

Not late 70s/early 80s enough- not just their hair, but that's part of it. The costumes, the sets, the look, everything. Just doesn't match. I'm just lookin' for some consistency here!

SFX, in all cases, are groundless without some kind of story behind them; otherwise, they are just demo reels. Maybe I shouldn't say that the SFX are too clean, but too extravagant to match the earlier films. This doesn't mean that they can't be awesome, just keep the camera still, for example. The shots of space battles are too dense. It crosses the line of good movie making.

Here is probably he fundamental difference in our opinion: I would have liked the new movies to match the old ones (at least to some extent), and you would have them redefine the series, to hell with the originals. I approach the series as something to watch in order, and that affects my opinion of the new films and how they don't allow this to happen.

More later...

[demonAfro]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

I thought the whole point was that Lucas only ever set out to make one Star Wars movie, so just crammed loads into the first one and only off the success of that was he able to make the rest. Episode I would have been a rubbish first movie... who wants trade wars when you can have a rebellion and death stars. And I guess when you try and make the best movie you can in the middle of a 9 part saga you will end up with some continuity errors three prequels back in time.

[evangelion]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

I'm not gonna keep with the replies, that shit gets out of hand fast with such long posts.

Like I said before, all you are doing is comparing the old ones to the new ones. If that is your only reason for disliking them that is fine. Weak, but fine...it's your opinion. You're right they don't "look" the same. They were made 30 years apart, 'nuff said. Why should he go back instead of forward? And I never said your opinion is wrong, I just diagree with it.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree, I'm not about to get into a 3 page back and forth over this. We obviously are both huge Star Wars fans that have differing opinions on the quality and relevence of the new trilogy. Let's keep it at that.

BTW my "emotional sputtering" refutes your reasons because they are my opinion. Just like all of your "reasons" are yours. Respect that.

But seriously man, knocking the new ones becaue they don't look '70s enough?? That's like knocking the old ones becasue they don't look '00s enough. I'll take the new look anyday over that old school '70s look. Just like people in the '70s took that "modern" look over the '60s space alien movies, and the people in the '60 took that over the '50s look of Flash Gordon serials. It's all relative.

[evangelion]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

I thought the whole point was that Lucas only ever set out to make one Star Wars movie, so just crammed loads into the first one and only off the success of that was he able to make the rest. Episode I would have been a rubbish first movie... who wants trade wars when you can have a rebellion and death stars. And I guess when you try and make the best movie you can in the middle of a 9 part saga you will end up with some continuity errors three prequels back in time.

The whole story, Episodes 1-6, started out as one movie. Could you imagine going from Anakin's childhood to Vader's death in 2 hours?? I'm glad he decided to chop them up...for sanity's sake anyway. :o

[undrgrndwmn]

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I thought metachlorians are stupid.

agreed ... who ever heard of a religion that you are genetically predisposed to?

[undrgrndwmn]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

he's never been strong with dialog ... the only reason the dialog in E5 was so great was that he had co-writers. he should have done the same for 1-3 as well. I just didn't buy Padme falling for Annakin -- there wasn't a believable attraction there ... remember, she was supposed to be several years older than him, as well as a ruler. The love story just wasn't believable

oh well

[sammwalk]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

The only reason I would want the new movies to look 1977-1982 is because that's the image that the first movies all cling to. Lucas violates his own milieu by introducing artwork that doesn't jive with the old.

If these movies were being introduced now, I wouldn't have the same feelings for the design to revolve around a particular cultural period. But since this is supposed to be a series under one umbrella, yes, we must look back to move forward.

Truly I don't expect Lucas to make period pieces to match his earlier works. We all expect him to try to push the envelope with the SFX and try to make as much money and hype as possible. But I'm laying out how I would have made them, and this is why I'm disappointed with the prequels. Some but not many will share my sentiment; others won't. Whatever.

[energizerbunny]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

althought 1 and 2 werent' that great I thought that 3 really redeemed itself, the story was good, the special effects were great and it tied everything together nicely IMO

[Kobe]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

themonk, one of the tricks of the movie criticism trade is to first see the movie, then make your comments. It's a subtle distinction, but I know you can get it (even if you can't figure out the plot to star wars).

For my $6.50 (caught the mantinee) SW films have always been about the special effects, ILM is without equal. I thought Ep 2 was the best special effects film ever when I saw it, and it is easily dwarfed by the first 5 minutes of Ep 3 alone.

The plot IMHO is actually much better than most of what comes out of Hollywood these days, especially because it rings true with today's political climate. Everything else I just take in stirde, the acting is so-so (although in spots quite good- McGregor is great), and then you have the embarrising moments which IMO are quite funny and add to the appeal. It's okay to laugh, it's just a fucking the movie, and then say WOW the rest of the time because you don't get to see such genius effects every day or even every year.

Film is a visual based genre, if it wasn't it would be music and spoken word. That said, I strongly feel this is the most viusally stunning film ever made. That's worth a trip to the local theater for me.

Comic book store guys and heartbroken fanbois, please continue to cry on your forums.

[evangelion]

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EXTREMELY well said.

Star Wars movies have always been 90% about the effects, in both series they were beyond groundbreaking for their time. So now in today's hyper critical environment people think Lucas should make it into Gone with the Wind or The Godfather or something. Take it for what it is: a fun, visually stunning sci-fi flick, nothing more, nothing less. Just because it has Star Wars in front of it does not mean it is going to redefine film making (maybe from a technical stand point).

And you're right, I didn't think it could get any better than the last half hour of "Attack of the Clones." Well...the first half hour of "Revenge of the Sith" trumps it, not by a mile, but enough. Absolutely breathtaking.

[themonk]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

themonk, one of the tricks of the movie criticism trade is to first see the movie, then make your comments. It's a subtle distinction, but I know you can get it (even if you can't figure out the plot to star wars)...

Comic book store guys and heartbroken fanbois, please continue to cry on your forums.

Thanks for the hot tip, Kobe. If my brain wasn't so small, I would try to remember it.

I love how everyone who disagrees with me and actually likes these movies has to start off by insulting me personally with some lameass sarcastic swipe at my intelligence before getting down to business. Why so defensive? Oh, and you're about five insults too late, asswipe.

My rant wasn't aimed at any individual, at least until the personal insults started flying.

Whatever.

The people who think these movies are such shite are not the "comic book boys and heartbroken fanbois", as you so cleverly put it. They are just people who go to movies for something more than a glorified video game; in other words, not people like you who think special effects by themselves are worth seeing. But if that's what you get off on, go for it--that's cool. I'm just saying why the movie is uncool for people like me.

[evangelion]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

"Like me???" Oh enlightened one.

Knower of all that is a good and bad movie.

Get over yourself...it's a MOVIE!!!! If you start a thread with the title this one originally had, you deal with what comes next.

[pretence]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

IMO, the movie starts great, starts to loose speed in the middle and crashes and burns with the line "From my point of view the Jedi are evil"....

Still the kids will love it and thats what we were when we saw the originals...

There was a humour in the originals that is lost here. It has no heart /IMO

[themonk]

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There was a humour in the originals that is lost here. It has no heart /IMO

This is exactly the point. Instead of being such an obnoxious ass, I should have just said this. Evangelion said the first movies were 90% special effects, but I disagree. I think they were 10% special effects, and 90% story, charm, humor, and heart. The new ones simply lack any warmth that shows that they are alive. The attempts at humor are beyond painful. The acting might not have been superb in the orginals, but chemistry between them WAS SUPERB. Every character came alive. In the EI+II, it feels like the actors are just talking to themselves in a empty cell.

(BTW, not an enlightened one. Just know a soul-less turd when I see one.)

[themonk]

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

So now in today's hyper critical environment people think Lucas should make it into Gone with the Wind or The Godfather or something. Take it for what it is: a fun, visually stunning sci-fi flick, nothing more, nothing less. Just because it has Star Wars in front of it does not mean it is going to redefine film making (maybe from a technical stand point).

And you're right, I didn't think it could get any better than the last half hour of "Attack of the Clones." Well...the first half hour of "Revenge of the Sith" trumps it, not by a mile, but enough. Absolutely breathtaking.

This is bullshit.

1) There is nothing hypercritical about the current environment at all. In a critical environment these movies would have bombed worse than Ishtar.

2) Nobody thinks Lucas should have made this into something serious. I just wanted something fun. Hans Solo was fun. Chewbacca was fun. The Milennium Falcon and Princess Lea's bitchiness were fun. These movies are about as much fun as getting assreamed by tiesto. I can't think of anything less "fun" than episopes 1 and 2. Fun is something playful, light-hearted, and freeing. These movies to me are pretentious, wooden, hulking beasts stuffed full of everything that it unfun in the world of movies.

3) I think the first two episodes are visual candy for E-tards. (Haven't see the third.) Nothing visually stuning in the least. Just totally hyperactive battle scenes without focus or tension, sterile backdrops sucked of life, and computer characters that look less believable than something that just dropped out of Buffy reruns. Visually stunning does not mean the largest number of CG-generated images flying around pointlessly at the same time. Visually stunning is something that hits the eye with impact. Gattaca is a visually stunning movie. Raise the Red Lantern is visually stunning. Farewell My Concubine is visually stunning. Bladerunner is visually stunning. These new treats from Lucas are the visual equivalents of a cheap buffet. Yeah, there's a lot to eat, but it all sucks.