Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

[Jenks]

Re: Clinton Administration ultimately responsible for 9/11

[Well, you might know that NO EVIDENCE HAS EVER COME OUT THAT BIN LADEN WAS INVOLVED WITH 9/11.

There is video of Bin Laden commenting that the Trade Center attack went BETTER than planned, he didn't expect the towers to come down, but he was pleased with the success of the mission.

I'd say that's pretty good evidence he claimed responsibility.

[thesightless]

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i'd also add on the multiple calls for jihads against america. if your gonna call GW and DC war criminals, then bin laden has gotta be grouped with them. he did the same thing. ordered a war for asinine reasons. none of them actually fought. thing is, WE (USA) keep paper trails. he hides in a caves and sends videos to news agancies. bush could have overtly sent in a nuke and blown the shit out of bagdahd. outside of tracing nuclear elements to the our reactors, there wouldnt be much evidence he did it.


too much bullshit in the world today. :?

anyone wanna chip in a buy a secluded island? :P

[eye-p]

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1. Bin Laden has in fact denied being involved. On that same tape, he said that he thought the attacks were better than anything he could have hoped for.

That is quite different than claiming responsibility. This he has never done.

Problem is, when we listen to US intelligence tranlations of OBL video and audio, we get a whole different translation than everywhere else in the world.

Thats kinda funny isnt it?

OBL clearly hates the US, and was thrilled over the attacks. That is NOT the point.

Condi Rice and GWB PROMISED evidence. None HAS EVER been produced. Why?

Let me guess, national security?

You guys cant be THAT gullible.

Explain to me why we havnt caught him yet? This is 6'5" muslim with a dialisis machine. He would be hard to miss.

[eye-p]

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i'd also add on the multiple calls for jihads against america. if your gonna call GW and DC war criminals, then bin laden has gotta be grouped with them. he did the same thing. ordered a war for asinine reasons. none of them actually fought. thing is, WE (USA) keep paper trails. he hides in a caves and sends videos to news agancies. bush could have overtly sent in a nuke and blown the shit out of bagdahd. outside of tracing nuclear elements to the our reactors, there wouldnt be much evidence he did it.


too much bullshit in the world today. :?

anyone wanna chip in a buy a secluded island? :P

Right. And if Bush nuked Bagdahd, he would be on CNN/Fox in 15 minutes claiming victory for the USA, maybe saying, "Mission Accomplished"?

If OBL really did it, why wouldnt he be running around telling anyone who would listen that he defeated the US military?

[Jenks]

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So is this pretty much where you're coming from EyeP ?

[eye-p]

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Ha Ha

Yeah, I guess so.

I just dont understand how everyone just blindly accepts what the government tells them. The real "conspiracy theory" is the official story, IMO.

[Jenks]

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I am fully aware the US Government is an equal opportunity mischief maker.

I also realize there is nothing i can do about it except vote in 2008, and it'll probably be for a republican this time, because i voted republican in the last election a republican didn't get elected.

[thesightless]

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im voting for gumby.

mccain is the only guy out there i like with a chance. kuchinich will get ignored again becuase he isnt a ""big enough"" story for the media. in that, i mean there arent enough democrats who would jump to stump for him over the cunt or kerry.



lastly though, no offense to you man, but i really find it hard you think Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. i just do, but hell, i cant change your mind. not my right.

your right about it being hard to miss a 6'6 beared guy on a dialisis machine. but we cant rule out that maybe the entire peoples of the region hate us as much as he does, and arent exactly putting him out in the open. cave, house, bunker, whatever, he COULD be hiding with cooperation from others.

[toasty]

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Explain to me why we havnt caught him yet? This is 6'5" muslim with a dialisis machine. He would be hard to miss.

We haven't caught him yet because Bush is an incompetent boob.

Clinton shouldn't get off either though, if you'll pardon the pun, for his role in failing to act when he could have acted, but I would point out that the policy for dealing with terrorists was very different during the Clinton years and through the first 8 months of the Bush presidency (and every president before them, for that matter). 9/11 resulted in a change in policy. It is easy to sit here with the benefit of hindsight, but the simple fact of the matter is that the response you would expect from any American president to a suspected terrorist out in the open is different than what you would have expected pre-9/11.

If not OBL or Al Qaeda, who do you think is responsbile? Please tell me that you aren't one of those folks that believe that members of PNAC had a hand in 9/11 to allow them to put their plans into place or something like that...

[eye-p]

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What I believe about who is responsible for 9/11 has nothing to do with the fact that:

1. There has never been any evidence presented that OBL is behind 9/11.

2. Clinton was not offered OBL by Sudan.

3. Clinton was responsible for letting 9/11 happen.

That is what this thread was about.

[Civic_Zen]

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This topic has already been done to death on this forum. And anyone who remembers my arguments, probably remembers where I stand. I don't really want to start it up again, so feel free to ignore my viewpoint.

But frankly Clinton is, mostly, responsible for 9/11. Not so much in that he could have prevented it, per se. Only that the things he did in office showed that America wasn't willing to do anything, or stretch diplomatic boundaries in order to secure our situation. Which basically boils down to this - Clinton was a pvssy of a president, at a time when we needed someone with balls.

[thesightless]

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[thesightless]

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honestly though, who do you think, outside of those who died on the plane, is directly responsible for the attacks. i.e. who gave the orders, who organized the 4 groups, who funded them and the pilot training?

[Civic_Zen]

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Last I looked, I'm not wearing a Tin-Foil hat.

So I believe it was al-Quada, Bin Laden and his cronies. Its all pretty cut and dry as far as I'm concerned

[thesightless]

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sorry, should have been specific. eye-p, who do you think is responsible for what i asked before. im in the bin laden group, secondly, i attribute it to the creation of isreal and the hatred it generated in the region. too many mid eastern ppl say its all about us meddling with them by creating isreal and backing it all this time. from syria to yemen, they all consider isreal thier first and foremost enemy. many more preparing for something bigger now that isreal has shown a weakness by withdrawing from gaza.