New Orleans

[asdf_admin]

bart. not all people have the time and money to move. i understand your point, but that is life. Mother Earth has her ways, and frankly there is not much you can do. Surely, to bitch about is one thing, but most these people got the fuck out of dodge.

Either way, you need to show some more tact in issues like this. Just be careful what you write, and esp. how you write it. You can say things in a very tactful way and also with taste.

[Kobe]

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Bart actually has a point, albeit inadvertently. How smart was it to found a major city on the gulf of Mexico that lies 10+/- ft. below sea level?

So what you?re saying is that Holland, for example, shouldn?t exist?

And California lies on top of the San Adreas faultline, so people shouldn?t live there?

And my city, Lisbon...it lies on a faultline too, and it?s common scientific knowledge that sooner or later a big quake will happen...should we all get the fuck out of here right now?

What I'm saying is there is a such thing as putting yourself in harms way. It is a caluculated risk that apparently doesn't always get calculated.

Why don't you tell me... as someone who lives on top of a fault, what is your reasoning? Have you considered the possibility of a quake in your decision to live there?

[bart_smastard]

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point taken asdf .. i made the calous remarks b4 it built up so much power and have tried to appologise since

[Kinetic]

Re: New Orleans

Bart actually has a point, albeit inadvertently. How smart was it to found a major city on the gulf of Mexico that lies 10+/- ft. below sea level?

So what you?re saying is that Holland, for example, shouldn?t exist?

And California lies on top of the San Adreas faultline, so people shouldn?t live there?

And my city, Lisbon...it lies on a faultline too, and it?s common scientific knowledge that sooner or later a big quake will happen...should we all get the fuck out of here right now?

What I'm saying is there is a such thing as putting yourself in harms way. It is a caluculated risk that apparently doesn't always get calculated.

What exactly are you saying?

I was basically making a similar point to picklemonkey.

Not criticising you, just saying that your logic and Bart?s was flawed. In my opinion, of course.

And the most important thing, again, is that I hope people over there will be OK (as much as possible under the circunstances).

[Kobe]

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Agreed, we are all concerned about everyonedown in NO. I actually just edited my post just as your were replying. I would like to know what you think on the matter. As I see it, it's not a black/white issue, both sides have flawed logic, both sides also have good points.

I think it's a worthwhile discussion:

Do people consider natural disasters seriously enough when choosing a place to live? (or when choosing to stay in a "risky" area)

[Kinetic]

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Agreed, we are all concerned about everyonedown in NO. I actually just edited my post just as your were replying. I would like to know what you think on the matter. As I see it, it's not a black/white issue, both sides have flawed logic, both sides also have good points.

I think it's a worthwhile discussion:

Do people consider natural disasters seriously enough when choosing a place to live? (or when choosing to stay in a "risky" area)

That?s a good question. Maybe sometimes they have no choice? But as I was thinking about what you said, I was actually thinking where could I get some info about the history of New Orleans, more precisely, who were it?s founders and why they chose that place to build a city. That could probably partially answer your question.

I know it?s got something to do with the French, so that might explain a lot...

But going back to what I said, look at Holland. That whole country was literraly dragged out of the water...the whole country is below sea level! I mean, the guys needed space, that?s the only explanation for it.

[etincelles]

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[cneill]

Re: New Orleans

Bart actually has a point, albeit inadvertently. How smart was it to found a major city on the gulf of Mexico that lies 10+/- ft. below sea level?

Well, it's not as if cities have historically been just founded and built in a spot that has been evaluated and assessed for major risks in the way that a shopping mall or suburban housing development is built. Cities tend to grow over time, and that growth is fueled by natural resources and trade routes among other factors. In the case of New Orleans, it's right at the mouth of the Mississippi River, which was and is an excellent port into the "New World." Do you think the Europeans who settled there and built the city in a totally new and different environment halfway across the world from their native home could have predicted the changing global climate contributing to the increase in number and intensity of hurricanes hundreds of years into the future? Surely hurricanes were experienced in the early history of New Orleans, but obviously the benefits of the location outweighed the risk posed at the time, thus the city remained and grew into a prominent major U.S. city.

I might change your question to ask, how smart is it to move to an area now with a known history of major and relatively regular occurance of natural disaster, with no indication that the risk will diminish in the future? But even this is a poor question, as sometimes people just have to make decisions and take actions that oppose obvious safety logic for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which are financially related.

[evangelion]

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Luckily NOLA dodged a direct hit, but the towns and counties around it are not fairing as well. Flooding, damage, everything that was expected is happening, thank god not as bad as was first thought. Keep your fingers crossed for everyone in the effected area. Last I heard there was 9 dead and houses flooded up to their roofs.

[miketpoto]

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Just a little add-on here, but Nahrlins (New Orleans) doesnt really get hit hard by hurricanes cept for every 40 years or so. I was there exactly 4 years ago this week, and there was one that was worried to be headed in our direction... the tourists were buggin out, but the locals are used to them turning or weakening before they get hit. It didn't even so much as rain, and lord knows the humidity and temperature there in August could welcome any breeze at all....

And another side-note on the US being the richest nation in the world.... ROFLMAO!!!!

Our national debt alone would suggest otherwise, but just for those who aren't aware of how shit really is in this land of the "free" or whatever the fuck it should be called

Here is a summary of the statistics for the distribution of wealth in the US as
of 1998, the most recent information available that has been fully analyzed:

% of US Population % of Wealth Owned
====================================
Top 1% 38.1%
Top 96-99% 21.3%
Top 90-95% 11.5%
Top 80-89% 12.5%
Top 60-79% 11.9%
General 40-59% 4.5%
Bottom 40% 0.2%

And as far as getting to government to do something about it goes, they're a little busy demolishing, oops, I mean saving poor people on the other side of the planet, or wait, they might be protecting us by letting them vote ( i mean forcing them to vote ) or something having to do with the Nukeiller family values.

Did that clear anything up? I can't wait to see Bush's heartfelt disaster relief publicity extravaganza... God he just makes me want to die for my country's SUV drivers...

[juouelle]

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bart_smastard,

It was amicable of you to apologize and you have gained my respect for coming to your senses and doing so.

In return, i apologize for retaliating to your comment(s) posted on this board.

Like asdf mentioned, you have a brilliant way of articulating yourself. But this is a friendly board for the most part and not one of ignorance. Sarcasm and cynicism are truly welcome, but i just take harshly to extreme negativity.

[miketpoto]

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Sarcasm and cynicism are truly welcome, but i just take harshly to extreme negativity.

you're Beautiful!

[evangelion]

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And he really means it!!!!

[asdf_admin]

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point taken asdf .. i made the calous remarks b4 it built up so much power and have tried to appologise since

no problem mate. i thank you for the apology, though it did not have a direct refliection on me. it showed your respect for this forum and the community. you did well my young Jedi.

x2

[evangelion]

Re: New Orleans

Luckily NOLA dodged a direct hit, but the towns and counties around it are not fairing as well. Flooding, damage, everything that was expected is happening, thank god not as bad as was first thought. Keep your fingers crossed for everyone in the effected area. Last I heard there was 9 dead and houses flooded up to their roofs.

What a difference a day makes. 100 dead, widespread devastation across 3 states, a flooded city, looting. This sucks.