god vs. god MMV

[miketpoto]

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Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum

[miketpoto]

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and ok, is it just me, or cowardly completely ignore my lengthy post of the day? I am trying not to read into that

[Morgan]

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Well bugger me, that took a lot of reading.

My pennies worth.

1. Your all wrong, only Muslims have got it right and will enter the kingdon of heaven.

2. The bible is a good read and contains some very postive messages on how to live your life. That said the editing it recived in the 3rd Cent from some enthusiatic bishops/canons has skewed the true meaning of the good book.

3. If women are not allowed to become priests or bishops then Christianity is fundemetally flawed, If God in his wisdom has decided that women are inferior to men, then sorry but i'll have no part of it.

4. Rock and Roll is going to hell, so who wants to be in heaven?!!

Unfortunely, when you live life according to your own morals and values, you hold yourself accountable for doing the right thing as opposed to fearing punishment and eternal damnation... it takes a lot of personal strength to prioritize one's self-respect (and respect for others) before temptation with no tangible reward for doing so.

Damn right. I do not need religion to show me the difference between right and wrong.
I do the right thing because it is right, not because of faith.

On the old Beanz subject, Mike I can see your point. Beanz was allowed free reign for far too long.

Cowardly,. I have a lot of respect for you. I am glad to hear that things have improved since last year, but (and there is always a but) I would be insulted if you told me you were going to pray for me, i would have felt demeanded. It's good that have faith but you must also have tolerance, remember point # 1 ?? Are you sure that you are backing the right horse? So many sub-sections of every religion, can they all be right?

As for born again and saved ppl. Well, imo they are using religion as a crutch, the whisky and cheap brandy that got them through the day has been replaced, by the smarm of an evanglist preaching salvation. However if it works and they feel better for it, then i'm happy, i'm a tolerant person, i live my life the way i want to and in a way that is postive not only for myself but for the rest of you.

[bart_smastard]

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1. Your all wrong, only Muslims have got it right and will enter the kingdon of heaven.

3. If women are not allowed to become priests or bishops then Christianity is fundemetally flawed, If God in his wisdom has decided that women are inferior to men, then sorry but i'll have no part of it.


alot of good stuff u wrote but to preach womens rights then say the muslims are spot on has got to be a piss take . all women are property of a man under islam

but the rest of it

[miketpoto]

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I think she was being ironic. Or satirically contradictory.

[Morgan]

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1. She is a MAN. I have not been mistaken for a girl for over 23 years (until today)

2. I was being satirically contradictory. Delete Muslim and insert any religion it's all a gamble!

[miketpoto]

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Pardon my gay pronouns, I know a lady named Morgan and I am multitasking software installs and spreadsheets full of serial #'s. Its a hoot

[cowardly dj]

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Men guided by the Holy Spirit (or so they say) also tortured people because they were 'wrong' and started wars because they though whole peoples and nations were 'wrong'.

There are only 2 instances in the Bible where people are given the Hoy Spirit as guidance. In Acts 2 as I mentioned earlier in this thread, the apostles were given the Holy Spirit on the day of pentecost to guide them in spreading the gospel. The other is on Acts 10 when the house of Cornelius was given the Holy Spirit to show that God has given salvation to the gentiles ( those not of Jewish heritage). The only other time people were given the holy spirit to guide them was when the apostles "laid their hands upon them" Any person who claims to be guided by the Holy Spirit is misleading themselves and those around them. As it says in Acts 2:38 we get the gift of the Holy Spirit when we are baptized in the name of Jesus. It does not say we get the guidance of the Holy Spirit. If man is guided by the Holy Spirit to do things then he would never make a mistake or sin because the Holy Spirit comes from God and God is not wrong to those of us who believe. How anyone can claim to be driven by the Holy Spirit and sin is "proof in the pudding" so to speak. That to me is good evidence that they are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

As I stated earlier, man has taken the scripture and twisted it to meet his need and desires for power. That does not make the scripture wrong, it makes man wrong. Nowhere in the New testament will you find the directive to go out and force religion on people. We are told to spread the word and then he who hears it can decide.

By the way: I sincerely cannot believe you seriously said that those Africans are worshipping god in the wrong way because they use music and instruments. I just can't. I've been there, and they could easily match your faith bro, even though they know jack shit of what is written down in the Bible (that's what you get when they're illiterate huh), but because they use drums they're not doing it right?

As I said if they are worshiping the God of the Bible then the scripture condemns them, not me. I am just a man and can condemn none. The Bible is very clear of how we are to worship and if it is not followed the Bible tells us what the result will be. You will not find anywhere in the Bible where it says to worship God how you see fit.

How about religious people concentrate a little bit more on intention, instead of nitpicking on rules?

I am not saying this is you but that is the attitude people take towards the Bible and that is why we have so many denominations today. Instead of using the Bible as a tool, they try to use it in generalities and ignore the specifics. What if the laws of the land were just generalities and the judgement of them were in general too. Then a person who gets a ticket for speeding could be sentenced to death as easily as one who commits murder depending on how the judge feels that day. Would you feel confident going before a judge for something as small as that knowing he could sentence you to death if he so desired because the law is "in general" instead of "nitpicking" about the rules? The Bible is very specific on how to follow it. Just because some people do not take the time to learn it does not mean that all should be saved simply on generalities.

I hope you can understand what I mean. Nitpicking the rules is commanded of us in the Bible. It is how the saved will be saved and the damned will be damned.

Yao did you by chance read my other lenghty posts in here. If not then maybe you could take some time to do so as it explains some of what you ask more in depth.

[cowardly dj]

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Morgan so many people say that. It is a very common response. It is absolutely a choice whether or not to believe the Bible. That is why it says broad is the path that leads to destruction and narrow the gate to salvation.

The bible is a good read and contains some very postive messages on how to live your life. That said the editing it recived in the 3rd Cent from some enthusiatic bishops/canons has skewed the true meaning of the good book.

I guess it depends on what you are reading. The King James Version and the American Standard Version are the truest. They just took the Hebrew and Greek text and translated it into English. Nothing wrong with that. There are books today that are written in a certain language and then translated into others.

There are many others (New International Version for instance) that translated it to what they thought it meant, or what they thought the scripture was trying to convey as they turned it into English. That is why so many people say that it is hard to know what the Bible says. That is why I only read the King James Version, or the New King James Version where they took out the hath, withersoto's and thou's that were used in the first century English and added has, you, me, they ,them and so forth. It does not change the meaning only makes it easier to read.

[miketpoto]

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I hope you can understand what I mean. Nitpicking the rules is commanded of us in the Bible. It is how the saved will be saved and the damned will be damned.

Well, I'll be damned.

Could you spend some time responding like a human being and a little less like Biblebot-2000? Your dialog as it pertains to the clarification for others is so literal minded it pains me to believe that you use any sort of logic other than processing a line of script like a google search, and not filtering out the accompanying disrespect slash fucking bullshit responses like the one mentioned above.

[cowardly dj]

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Well, I'll be damned.

Could you spend some time responding like a human being and a little less like Biblebot-2000? Your dialog as it pertains to the clarification for others is so literal minded it pains me to believe that you use any sort of logic other than processing a line of script like a google search, and not filtering out the accompanying disrespect slash fucking bullshit responses like the one mentioned above.

Well try this one.

The reason why I said "I hope you can understand what I mean" is because after reading the post a couple of times I started doubting I was putting it across clearly. I was doubting my ability to communicate it.

It had nothing to do with anyone else or anyone else's ability to understand it but my comminucation skills.

Is that any clarification on this?

[miketpoto]

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For clarification:

You are insulting and ignorant for referring to those who dont believe what you do as Damned and headed towards destruction.

You appear to have the thought process of a robot with very limited programming, and I have seen no evidence of your thinking for yourself nor responding to any posts or portions of posts that dont have a reference from your favorite translation of the bible that works best for you.

[cowardly dj]

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For clarification:

You are insulting and ignorant for referring to those who dont believe what you do as Damned and headed towards destruction.

You appear to have the thought process of a robot with very limited programming, and I have seen no evidence of your thinking for yourself nor responding to any posts or portions of posts that dont have a reference from your favorite translation of the bible that works best for you.

Well half this thread is about the Bible, why wouldnt I use it to talk about it?
As far as being a robot I am not sure where that comes from. I have thought all this out and responded as needed when needed and how I thought I should respond. If thinking all this into existence by typing it on this page makes me a robot then so be it. I have given all my posts much thought. Just because I refer to the Bible does not make my thought not my own. I am answering the Biblical questions with Biblical answers.

I am not saying anyone is damned, as I said I am just a man and can damn none. I am only putting up here what the Bible says. You are right though when you say that I am using the Bible for my basis.

[shosh]

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^ you're damned

judge lest ye not be judged

[miketpoto]

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I never said not to talk about the bible, and I never thought for a second that you had the power of damnation. You do however have the power of selective reading comprehension. as I said before, you arent addressing anything that you have thought up for yourself, and yes actually, when you refer to the bible it makes the thought exactly NOT YOUR OWN. just because you are thinking of how to paraphrase the words you hide behind/believe in, doesn't mean that you are creating or bringing anything into existence.

I am not blaming you for this, but I dont even know what your name is..... But that sort of anonymity is a reflection of how alienating you appear to me to be from the rest of the human race. I just can't comprehend in the least how anyone would want salvation in a place or with a God as petty, chauvinistic, unloving, and as prone to mood swings as the one you describe. For someone with a past like you have described, I have to think you must have met some if not many people on your path in life who you care a great deal about, who are also people you probably have a hard time pictuing being deserving of eternal damnation. how few of the many that you know will make it past this impossible ideal of true Christianity? How can you have ever been on a dancefloor and felt what EDM is or can be all about, and be so cut off or blind as to what beauty truly can be?

What do you have to say about Joseph Smith and anyone else for that matter who has interpreted the holy spirit into texts to be shared and teach others how to reach his true vision and obtain glory? You arent responding to those sort of questions, and they fit the description you have given as to how the bible, even the best bible is the word of the lord.

I have to leave work now to go meet a friend, Lucas who posted on this thread earlier on actually, so I will not be able to respond for a while. just an fyi....