bolivia socializes thier oil....................

[thesightless]

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not a controlled recession, we dont need that, but the US and the EU need to get together and go to OPEC and pass laws to limit how much the companies under each respective jursidiction can pay for oil before taking a tax hit... the middle east is bitch, they know they have us under the knife and frankly, they would rather we become a sharia state before they help us.

[Yao]

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Doesn't that sound pretty unrealistic? You can't go round and tell others what to do with their resources, you can ask if you have something to offer in return.

OPEC has control of most of today's oil reserves, and for us (the biggest consumers) that just blows goats. Especially with #3 oil guzzler China now emerging and being real good friends or at least aligned with many of the OPEC countries. So we better get our hands on something that will outlast oil, or develop our own resources - in that case I believe there is still a huge reserve of that tar-sand somewhere in alaska, but it will mean the destruction of a really big natural reserve. The US and Europe are having a big mouth, but in the end they control jack shit, and our own capitalist ideology could turn against us.

[thesightless]

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not neccessarily, it is perfectly conceivable that a government can intervene to set a standard for a utility(oil is a utility in the end) to avoid price gouging. in terms of things backfiring.. well i dont know, they hold the oil , but the big 3 (US china india) have a ton to say when it comes to the money that is being put forth to pay for this oil. add in the EU, but the big 3 have so much developing makets from thier domestic businesses its silly. when the money gets cut off it will literally take days for the OPEC countries to say ""OKOK, we will cut prices."" when you suddenly face a cutoff of funding in the amounts of the hundreds of millions dollars a day, your companies will do what it takes. just look at the US auto industry, if you factor in inflation, car prices have percetage wise decreased dramiatically in the matter of two years since the world stopped buying thier products. go figure.

in the end i would say just cut the shit and apply a ton of economic pressure if you have to. raise the prices of every good coming from EU, US and east asia that go into the middle east and eventually you can force a hand when it comes to food vs oil money.. they will take the food and give up some profits.

granteed i speak off the cuff and im not digging up the figures at the moment, but hit me up in email and ill find ya some stuff yao. its surprising, because if it really came down to it like it did in the 70's, we could force a massive drought of goods going there and let them try to survive, and from all figure i have read, if every manufacturuer decided to boycott oil for one single day, it would knock back the OPEC based companies nearly 60% and furthermore cut funding to the governments drastically. goes to show how little leeway there is.

[Yao]

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Will do mate, have a paper to write now, but i'm very interested so expect an email soon

[Xessex]

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what the fuck is wrong with you? are you an anarchist?

Nope i just know i can live under all sorts of situations on the world and don't neccessarily need to cling on to the so-called wealth we have in the western world. I love see things changing fastly from both good to ugly as from ugly to good.

I wanna witness changes, many aspects of life and with what i'm going to do prolly in the future i could in a way benefit from it as well. Besides i cosndier myself a world civilian so don't have that much in common with boundaries of countries. I'm not an patriot in any sense.

Personally i think i would feel best under more stressing, worse situations as that would bring up my will to live whereas at the place i'm right now i have little challenges.

I hope you could follow this thought pattern....

[Yao]

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I do....

Some people are just too afraid to experience the world (NOT referring to you here Sean), and want to stay in their safe haven and live it out. That's fine, but not for me: I'd rather see a lot, experience more, have an exciting life and die young. At least I've maxxed out my life in that case instead of just letting it slowly dim until I'm 90 or something. I've done a little bit of Journalism studies as well here btw, maybe that is what drives us - the need to see, hear and experience events, not just hear about them.

What also strikes me is that the culture in Europe, and also the Netherlands is one of much more openness towards the surroundings. Not that every Dutchman is a cosmopolitan thinker, but I know a lot of people that just rather go out and travel than settle down - heck, literally all of my best friends are seasoned travellers by now, at one point you got me in Africa, one in Asia, a few in Puerto Rico, one in Cuba...that was fun communicating. I consider myself a global citizen as well...this planet is one big fuckin' playground, it just has neighbourhoods where you don't wanna go

[thesightless]

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werd, u go to PR every summer for two weeks, have been to peru, argentina, and india. yet to hit europe though. and frankly the middle east is about appealing as someone putting a pen in my pee hole.


i never want to see things get ugly. i would rather see everything go to good, but a dream is a dream i guess.no point in seeing things de stabilize. but if you act in force to make things better you become the agressor. think what would happen if UK and US suddenly pulled out of iraq and went into darfur to control the humanitarian effort and hunt down the militias there.... after all the crying about darfur, we would be the bad guys. but when we stay away, we are still the bad guys because we arent sending in tons of food, contruction workers and healthcare at our expense

[Yao]

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Agree with that, whatever you, it's just never the right thing - but I guess that is also why many would like for the US to take a more conservative approach when it comes to interventions and would like it to be more reluctant to show force.

But really, if you've been to all the countries you named, you at least gotten a taste of what the world has to offer. I know a good deal of people who've done a lot of travelling though, but all they can do after they return home is bitch about everything outside and proclaim their undying love for their own little bubble called their country, house, garden....they clearly just as well should stay inside instead of polluting the outside world with their appearance

Got word from my mate Ghana, he told me to bring some money to buy Akpeteshie (locally brewed spirit) Already looking forward to getting completely shitfaced in the jungle this summer!!!

[Xessex]

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The reason also why africa is often left alone is of its history with Mao and all the connections between China and many African countries. I can mention Kenia for distributing Chinese clothes to the US as Kenia could export to the US without getting taxed any extras. Dunno if that still happens, but did happen in the past. And also Sudan has many contracts with China for its oil.

[thesightless]

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africa simply doesnt have a single thing to offer the leading world outside of guilt. seriously, the reason they are ignored is because the US and EU already have a military alliance there, and economically, africa has zero to persuade leaderships with. its just a sad truth when some of the more wealthy people and companies earn more money in a year then your GDP.

[Xessex]

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maybe that is what drives us - the need to see, hear and experience events, not just hear about them.

Couldn't agree with you more. I just the need to experience and if possible on the widest thinkable scale.

heck, literally all of my best friends are seasoned travellers by now, at one point you got me in Africa, one in Asia, a few in Puerto Rico, one in Cuba...that was fun communicating. I consider myself a global citizen as well...this planet is one big fuckin' playground, it just has neighbourhoods where you don't wanna go

I'll most likely wont be in Europe any longer within a few years. Maybe if i'm tired with all the shit all over the world or just fed up with travelling all the time i might head back to Spain or Italy. But i dont think i would ever go back to Holland.

But about those places you don't want to go to. Well i'm the kind of guy who you can find on such places in the future, probably. I'm much looking forward to travel through 'dangerous' zones.

[Yao]

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lol, same here man....i still have this wish to do in-depth research to mercenary armies and their possible uses, and arms trade. Won't be the safest road to walk, but definitely an interesting one. Right now those plans are on hold, but they will never go out of my mind.

We should hook up sometime soon and talk a bit, so far I think you are a guy after my own heart dude.

[Yao]

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africa simply doesnt have a single thing to offer the leading world outside of guilt. seriously, the reason they are ignored is because the US and EU already have a military alliance there, and economically, africa has zero to persuade leaderships with. its just a sad truth when some of the more wealthy people and companies earn more money in a year then your GDP.

Africa has everything to offer bro, provided there would finally be a steady shift towards development-orientated leadership out there. If Africa had fuckall to offer, it wouldn't have had to be colonized in the first place, but it was. And not just for fun, it was all about the resources - the whole western economy was built on the extraction of resources from the continent, including labour (slaves). Without the Coltan found in the Congo, you wouldn't have cell phones in the first place either.

For economic stability though, there must be a stable investment environment: that is what Africa must focus on if it wants to make economic progress. But do not be mistaken Sean, Africa as well as South America are still feeding our economies with their raw materials. I'm not saying you should feel all sorry for them, but I do expect a bit more realistic view on things from you. You don't have to be a treehugger to acknowledge what is going on mate

[Xessex]

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lol, same here man....i still have this wish to do in-depth research to mercenary armies and their possible uses, and arms trade. Won't be the safest road to walk, but definitely an interesting one. Right now those plans are on hold, but they will never go out of my mind.

We should hook up sometime soon and talk a bit, so far I think you are a guy after my own heart dude.

Wel coming week i dun have much in my programm, rather schoolless week ....

so we could meet.

srry fr not sending you that promised pic yet

[Yao]

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maybe after wednesday then, since i'll be pretty effin' busy the coming days (and Diggers on wednesday is gonna be the highlight for me)...unless you wanna join me to Diggers in The Hague, lol.

Hit me up on my email (blowkick@gmail.com) and we might be able to agree on something. A nice blonde beer on a Breda or Tilburg terrace sounds really really REALLY good too actually...