Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed
Sorry buddy, I don't invest time in going over lists on websites with fake info.
Originally posted by davetlv
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Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed
Davetlv is quoting the Qur'anOriginally posted by davetlv
. I think we should call you Comedy Dave from now on.
Your comments become more ridiculous everytime. I think Syria with its 3000 year history would know where its borders are. If they say it belongs to Lebanon then not even the UN or any governing body can disagree.Comment
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Well now you are just showing your complete and utter stupidity Sono.
Borders, as we know them, were only instigated in this region after the demise of the Ottoman empire and the carving out of the region by Britain and France.
Seriously dude, go back and do some research before you open your mouth.
Clearly my knowledge of quaran is slighly better than your knowledge of the regions history.
Are you saying that Sura 9:5 doesnt say that?Comment
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I will take care of answering you dave4tly , I know the Qur'an completely and even went to a religious school in Saudi Arabia , so I think no one on this board knows the Qur'an Al Kareem better than me , and to answer you , there are names for the Surats not numbers , just to let you know , GO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and don't belive anything you read on the net, on the net there is alot of bullshit , go back to politics and try to refrain from talking about Islam with out knowing man . or else i'll start posting some bullshit that i'll find on some extrimist muslim websites about jews.
Back to politics please.Comment
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So you're saying the following is not true?Originally posted by Bululu
AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
009.005
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Sorry if i quoted it incorrectly first time round. Tell me then dear Bululu the meaning of the above? Who are the Pagans? Does Jewish and Christian prayer qualifies of must it only be Islamic? And what if someone gives chairty but does not pray? Is their life worth less?
As for the source, I have chosen to quote from the Yusufali version, i could have chosen Pickthal or Shakir but they all more or less say the same.
BTW no comments regarding your obvious lack of regional history i see. Am i suprised - not really
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History lets talk about history dear ,
Jews and christians where living in harmony with the earlier muslims ( they only had to pay some percentage out of their fortune as a tax because the muslim army was protecting them), the prophet was married Mohammed was married to a christian woman , Maria Al Qebtiyah, so dont come and try to show that Islam is a bad religion , we are on this post to discuss your army , if you are intrested in talkng abvout Islam dear open another post and i'll be more than glad to give you a lesson about the real Isdlam not what you see on TV.
PS: what regional history , the jews never had a country in that region until you pushed the west using the Shoaaa to give you a country ,or am I wrong ( they always lived under the protection of other civilizations)?????Comment
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Again you show that you know nothing about history.
The first Zionist congress was called in 1897, whilst wahat we call the first Aliyah was between 1882 and 1903, whilst Jewish liturgy since the destruction of the second temple has often dreamt of a return to Zion. Zion. B'shanah habah b'yeruslim. Zion. . . .zionist. Zionism is as much a part of Judaism as it is a modern movement.
Now, lets go back to that tax you were talking about. That would be the Dhimmi would it? I can see why you are not keen to go down this route.
So you want to talk about the army and the current situation fine.
Answer me this then:
If a building is struck at 1.00 am local time, why does it not collapse, supposedly killing many woman and children, until 8.00 am local time?Comment
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Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed
Dave, the answer to that is quite simple: we don't know.Originally posted by davetlv
I find that element as well as the info on the blog you linked to quite interesting and I guess one day we'll know the true story.
However, I don't think that this is the time to point fingers and start blaming. For me the main point is that on both sides of the line innocent people are suffering the consequences from the war.
The US now supports the scenario of a cease fire, an international peace keeping force and the neutralisation of Hezbollah (in the South, but let's hope it will be a total neutralisation). That's a fair deal imo. Or isn't it?Comment
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Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed
Robert Fisk in Lebanon
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius CiceroComment
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Since when does israel take UN sercurity council resolutions seriously?
In May 2000, more than 22 years after resolution 425 was passed, Israel withdrew its troops from southern Lebanon.“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius CiceroComment
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Interview with Hassan Nasrallah
He talks about UN res 425 and so does a former US embassador.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius CiceroComment
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By Ury Avnery
07/31/06 George Bush and his vassal, Tony Blair, are no statesmen. They are war criminals. They claim to be pious Christians. They are the physical manifestation of the devil himself.
Interviewed by the BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, on Saturday 30 July, Blair repeatedly declined to call for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon.
"Give Israel time to do its job of destruction. Let Israel annihilate Hizbullah and, preferably, Syria as well. When this is done, we shall call for a ceasefire." This is the conclusion which any reasonable person watching Blair's interview would draw. Indeed, it is the conclusion which Nick Robinson himself drew - he said so himself in conversation with the television news presenter after the interview.
Well, Israel has done its job. At least 60 innocent civilians, including many children, were murdered on Sunday 30 July, the very next day after Blair's interview, when Israeli warplanes bombed the basement in which they were sheltering. And still, Bush's vassal will not call for an immediate ceasefire. The closest he would come to this is to call for a ceasefire "as soon as possible", i.e. when Israel has completed its job of murder and destruction.
If there is anyone out there who is still wondering why Arabs and Muslims view Britain and the United States as their implacable enemies, then look no further. To the analysts, experts and commentators, whether in the media or in academia, who are still befuddled as to why Arabs and Muslims are turning to "extremism" and terrorism, we say this: replay the images of murder in Qana, Tyre, Sidon, Beirut and Gaza, then listen again to the war criminal Bush and his poodle Blair resisting calls for a ceasefire, and you have the answer.
Bush and Blair have blood on their hands, oceans of Arab and Muslim blood! The innocents in Lebanon and occupied Palestine are paying a heavy price for the crimes of these two maverick Christian Zionists.
Sadly, many other innocents, not only in the Middle East, but also in Bush's and Blair's own countries will almost certainly pay a heavy price for the actions of these two criminals. For who can doubt that the images of murder in Lebanon and Gaza will inspire many Muslims all over the world to seek revenge? And the victims will almost certainly not be Bush, Blair or the militarist Zionist clique which rules Israel, but innocent people in Europe and the United States.
We urge our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters not to let murder inspire you to commit murder in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain. Instead, think strategically. Let the blood of the innocents in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq inspire you to mobilize to isolate Israel and its patrons, politically by seizing the moment and highlighting the reality of Zionism to Western publics, and economically by accelerating the campaign to boycott Israeli goods. It is this, not an eye for an eye, that will ultimately defeat Israel and its imperialist masters, as happened with apartheid South Africa before it. Revenge is a dish best served cold“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
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Re: 16 civilians and 20 soldiers..vs. 357 officially killed
Originally posted by davetlv , let me explain to you in simple terms we'll subtitute the word land for money. it might make more sense to you. Or maybe i should use the apples and oranges example? 
Syria: This is Lebanon's money....
Israel: No its not, it's your money!!!!
Syria: For F*ck sake, this is lebanon's money!
Israel: No, its yours!
Syria: Well F*ck off then, i'm giving it to lebanon. don't tell me what to do with my money!
@davetlv
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