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I would have to agree on Santana But what about Verlander in Detroit? That guy is fucking sick!! Fastball is almost hitting 100 on the radar, nasty stuff and he is a rookie. I know he has a long way to go to be in the same class as Santana but 15-6 as a rookie is pretty damn good!!
hi guys, i assume you are baseball fans. so if we are going ot look at pitchers. lets cut to the chase. outside of santana. the only one who should be considered, and should already have a MVP award or a Cy YOung award is..... the sinlge most important baseball player since ted williams. yes, he is WAY more important than jeter, ortiz, puljos, AROD, anyone. just look at the numbers, then look at the post season numbers.
fucking scary innit? and he is only better in the postseason. he has a 1ERA in the post season and like 1.8 in the regular season.
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Agreed Sean. That dude is insane. One of, if not THE, best closer ever. I still say he can't be considered for those awards for the same reason Ortiz can't- he only pitches for a couple innings and he's done. He is guaranteed lights out when he comes in, but awards like CY and MVP are for full timers. I could actually hear an argument for MVP, but not Cy Young. You have to give the Cy to players who go out there every 5th day and ball for 7 innings or a complete game, and have the season long consistency and stats to warrant the award. Santana easily wins the Cy Young this year.
It is funny tho, in the playoffs, the yanks clearly have the advantage because they only have to play 7 innings of ball, and as long as they're ahead @ the 7th- game over.
AGREED, but the arguement that followed ortiz is, while not a position player, the closer is now officially a position. like the DH. and also, while is doesnt go 5-7 every 6 days, he goes 1-2 4 days a week. so in essence, he pitches more innings.
and regarding the CY Young. there was a point that has long passed (1996) whereas he has proven his numbers in his position are so beyond the dominance that guys like santana put up. think about in general terms of ballplayer, ignoring position. there hasnt been anyone, including williams, bob gibson, AND sandy koufax, since Babe, that is more dominant than rivera. he is the key reason why the yanks are there every year. he is cool, calm, collected. and he is a champion. a few times. he is the true iceman. thinak about the fact that in 11 years, he only has 3 screwups. 1. luis gonzales, 2. the overthrow to second, 3. game 4 of the collapse. all of them have been in the ALCS or world series.
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MAUER
look at his average, homers and average with RISP. he is actually killing ortiz and jeter. hitting around 370, and hitting around 400 with RISP. and more clutch than ortiz, its jsut that ortiz tends to get more national tv coverage being on the sox. oh yeah, he misses at least one day a week being a catcher, and is a rookie.
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i hear the Mauer vote, but he isn't our best player. Justin Morneau is our MVP by a long ways. his numbers our almost as gaudy as Papi's.
Morneau is hitting .317 with .371 OBP while also slugging .585
108 rbi's and 31 dongs
but you are right Mauer gets the media attention which is why i have such a jaded outlook on the media in baseball. Mauer has not done a damn thing since the all star break and he probably will get a nice share of votes without being the best player on his team.
i still will never understand how the Eck won an MVP...
your kidding right? i guess 51 saves and a 1.91 era isent good enough for you thats almost 1/3 of the games played in a year. also remeber he was the first "closer" specailizing in 9th inning relief in all of major leauge baseball. so recognize, The Eck was the one (and LaRusa of course) that paved the road for the mordern day bullpen
but remeber the balloting did take inaccout his raging stash and huge mullet
i was at the game when the a's retired his number last year, the place went nuts
yea but the thing is he was only for the 9th, goose and sutter were middle long relief as well
Eckersley, it is generally agreed, almost singlehandedly ushered in the modern perception of the closer role in baseball.
The role of the closer had been around since the late 1950s and early 1960s (Pittsburgh Pirates manager Danny Murtaugh is credited with inventing the role by using Elroy Face late in close games), and there had always been feared relievers and closers with Hall of Fame-caliber careers, such as Rollie Fingers, Bruce Sutter, and Rich Gossage. However, even in the late 1980s and early 1990s, a closer was considered a weaker and less valuable pitcher than a top starter. Complete pitchers started games, and if they were real men, they finished them (or so the mentality went). Relievers were either firemen (pitchers who only came into pressure-packed situations, with runners on and few out late in a game, and thus "put out the fire") or pitchers not good enough to start; the vast majority of relievers were considered to be the latter.
The A's used Eckersley almost exclusively for the ninth inning, and inserted him regardless of the pressure or game situation. Instead of being a fireman or a mop-up man, Eckersley became a one-inning pitcher. Starters were no longer expected to finish games; there was another pitcher who was coming into the game in the ninth inning, no matter what. Although the idea of a dedicated closer was hardly new (Lee Smith was already closing for the Cubs by the time Eck was converted to the closer role), it was rejected outright by old-school purists; it took Tony La Russa and Eckersley to popularize it.
Eckersley's incredible short-term dominance of the position was perhaps the most influential aspect of this popularization. He was seen to shut down a game after the eighth innning; he was fresh, cocky, and always hit his spots. His pointed finger at a struck-out batter and his glare became well-known after he and Dwight Evans famously battled during the 1988 and 1990 playoffs.
After Eckersley, every team wanted a pitcher who would end a game after eight innings, save their starters from overextending themselves, and give their fans something exciting to look to in a late game. Although the value of a closer is still debatable, Eckersley's influence is indisputable; by 2006, the notion of a team without a dedicated closer seemed as ridiculous as a pre-Eckersley team with one.
Although the idea of a specialty, one-inning game closer was the suggestion of his Oakland A's manager, Tony La Russa, it was Eckersley who put the 'cool' in the role of the closer.
nope, gossage did 8th and 9th. never started. never went long. the only year he eclipsed 140 innings was when chicago tried to get him to start. he went 220 innings after they realized he couldnt so they threw him in the pen to play the 5th/spot starter. one year only. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gossari01.shtml
not to sure about early sutter, my parents hadnt even met yet.
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