All in Perspective

[cowardly dj]

ever wonder how they guess at the size of things so many millions of miles away?

and yes those are guesses BTW

[picklemonkey]

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so is religion

[Jibgolly]

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oh no you di'int

[demonAfro]

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ever wonder how they guess at the size of things so many millions of miles away?

and yes those are guesses BTW

I'm not too sure the astronomers would be too happy with you saying they 'guess' the size of stellar bodies. I forget the exact details but I think there are certain types of star you can estimate the size of from their emitted light spectrum. And, of course, everyone knows that you can calculate how fast a body is moving away from you from the red shift, which is proportional to how far away it is

[cowardly dj]

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you can butter it up with anything you want and it is still the best guess they can come up with. I do a lot of research on various things that concern the universe and evolution etc. Certain aspects of science deal with fact but much of what we know about the universe is guesswork. I do not say that out of an opinion, it is just the way the science works.

[cowardly dj]

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so is religion

It is only guess work to those who guess at it. Without getting into a great debate again I assure you the evidence is overwheling in favor of God creating, than it is for evolution.

I can provide facts at the drop of a hat to anyone interested.

[KinKyJ]

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believing in creationism/intelligent design is as smart as thinking you're going to get 71 virgins if you blow yourself up in the name of Allah imo.

So drop it like it's hot cowardly, I'd like to see...

[Lorn]

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This topic changed quickly.

[Kamal]

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ha haaaaa welcome back cowardly, good to see ya in action buddy

Back to topic, I see you're putting Science as Guesswork and religion as guesswork in the minds of disbelievers?

Naa mate, Science is based on hard facts, there's virtually no guess work to how they come up with numbers unless they SPECIFICALLY state that Scientists "theorize" this or that.

Moreover, nothing on earth is "perfect" too. Even the diameter of the earth is based on measurements from machines which have a 0.0000000000000001% inaccuracy reading.

So yea, what you're seeing in that blog is a pretty accurate depiction of general size

[tiddles]

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<---- Imo

[cowardly dj]

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drop it like its hot?

[cowardly dj]

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Naa mate, Science is based on hard facts, there's virtually no guess work to how they come up with numbers unless they SPECIFICALLY state that Scientists "theorize" this or that.

Science is not guesswork you say......

Let me give you a few quotes from a few evolutionists and then you tell me if you think there is no guesswork in evolution.

It takes a vivid imagination to hold evolution as true.

"Nobody has the slightest idea how anyting material could be conscious. Nobody even knows what it would be like to have the slightest idea about how anything material could be consious." (Fodor, 1992)

"There is nothing strange about consciousness except that we dont understand it.......You cant explain consciousness on the cheap...... I admit that I am not able to explain consciousness." (Scott, 1995)

"We still have not clue how mind and matter are related, or what process led to the emergence of mind from matter in the first place." (Davies, 1995)

"It seems to me that there is a fundamental problem with the idea that mentality arises out of physicality- that is something which philosophers worry about for very good reasons. The things we talk about in physics are space, time, energy, and so on. How could ourfeelings, our perception of redness or of happiness have anything to do with physics? I regard that as a mystery." (Penrose, 1997)

"The problem of consciousness tends to embarass biologists. Taking it to be an aspect of living things, they feel they should know about it and be able to tell physicist about it, whereas they have nothing relevant to say." (Wald, 1994)

These next two quotes are from what the science world considers top in their league as far as evolution and the such is concerned.

"The evolution of the capacity to simulate seems to have culminated in subjective consciousness. Why this should have happened is, to me, the most profound mystery facing modern biology." (Dawkins 1976)

"Clearly we are in deep trouble... It will be realized that the modern Darwinian theory of evolution is defective in that it does not even recognize the extraordinary problem presented by living organisms aquiring mental experiences of a nonmaterial kind that are in another world from the world of matter -energy, which heretofore was globally comprehensive. We believe that the emergence of consciousness is a skeleton in the closet of orthodox evolutionism. It remains just as enigmatic as it is to an orthodox evolutionist as long as it is regarded as an exclusively natural process in an exclusively materialist world." (Eccles and Robinson, 1984)

Those who claim evolution make just as good an argument against it as they do for it.

God solves the debate of why we have a conscious mind:
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

[Kamal]

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Science is not guesswork you say......

Let me give you a few quotes from a few evolutionists and then you tell me if you think there is no guesswork in evolution.

It takes a vivid imagination to hold evolution as true.

"Nobody has the slightest idea how anyting material could be conscious. Nobody even knows what it would be like to have the slightest idea about how anything material could be consious." (Fodor, 1992)

"There is nothing strange about consciousness except that we dont understand it.......You cant explain consciousness on the cheap...... I admit that I am not able to explain consciousness." (Scott, 1995)

"We still have not clue how mind and matter are related, or what process led to the emergence of mind from matter in the first place." (Davies, 1995)

"It seems to me that there is a fundamental problem with the idea that mentality arises out of physicality- that is something which philosophers worry about for very good reasons. The things we talk about in physics are space, time, energy, and so on. How could ourfeelings, our perception of redness or of happiness have anything to do with physics? I regard that as a mystery." (Penrose, 1997)

"The problem of consciousness tends to embarass biologists. Taking it to be an aspect of living things, they feel they should know about it and be able to tell physicist about it, whereas they have nothing relevant to say." (Wald, 1994)

These next two quotes are from what the science world considers top in their league as far as evolution and the such is concerned.

"The evolution of the capacity to simulate seems to have culminated in subjective consciousness. Why this should have happened is, to me, the most profound mystery facing modern biology." (Dawkins 1976)

"Clearly we are in deep trouble... It will be realized that the modern Darwinian theory of evolution is defective in that it does not even recognize the extraordinary problem presented by living organisms aquiring mental experiences of a nonmaterial kind that are in another world from the world of matter -energy, which heretofore was globally comprehensive. We believe that the emergence of consciousness is a skeleton in the closet of orthodox evolutionism. It remains just as enigmatic as it is to an orthodox evolutionist as long as it is regarded as an exclusively natural process in an exclusively materialist world." (Eccles and Robinson, 1984)

Those who claim evolution make just as good an argument against it as they do for it.

God solves the debate of why we have a conscious mind:
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

You've done a bang up job of confusing the heck out of yourself as far as Theoretical Physics, Darwin's Theory and God go. All those are fascinating quotes but have nothing to do with this thread as compared to the MATH behind the Astronomy that has proven what the author of that blog hoped to depict and put into perspective

[KinKyJ]

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It is only guess work to those who guess at it. Without getting into a great debate again I assure you the evidence is overwheling in favor of God creating, than it is for evolution.

I can provide facts at the drop of a hat to anyone interested.

still waiting to see more than a few quotes from scientists

[Kamal]

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FYI, the size and distance of space bodies are measured by the refraction of light (on the 7 color spectrum) and the timing between the subtle changes of these colors, which are picked up by sensitive telescopes and computed using algorithms to come up with estimated sizes and distances of stellar objects. God / Jehova / Bible had no role here boss.