FAO Non-Americans

[thesightless]

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PS im obviously kidding about the french sucking. i know better but the majority of earth doesnt.

[asdf_admin]

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^^^ be nice Sean.

hahahaha.

[thesightless]

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i feel like the lone sane person in an asylum in reagrds to the veil ban. if i want you to work with me, the last thing i should do is stop your priorty in life. here it just happens to be clothing. i dont walk into a gas station and ask the attendant to take off the turban.

[RiseandShine]

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you keep on wanting this conversation to end up - it will, I am not forcing you to talk so stop acting as if I was.

you seem to like to embrace a lot of different concept and ideas and I find that troubling.
The frenc governement is one of the most socialist one (not that I support that) so the "help" given to minorities is one of the highuest you can find anywhere.
ritoing, I think we can pass, please refer to other post - especially the part about religion being a false excuse - btw, do not use the term religion dominance in France, it does not make sense

finally, we do show love to this community

[RiseandShine]

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PS im obviously kidding about the french sucking. i know better but the majority of earth doesnt.

listen, as any country in the world, we suck for a lot of things - and I'll be the first ones to point out, believe me

[thesightless]

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lemme word it like this.

you move here to NY. im the governer. you live here for a few years, and i tell you that you will be in legal violation if you (depending on ur personal situation)
a. fly a french flag
b. wear a cruxifix, yamaka (spelling off i know), turban or headscarf.

im sorry. it isnt going to make you like us anymore.

[RiseandShine]

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i feel like the lone sane person in an asylum in reagrds to the veil ban. if i want you to work with me, the last thing i should do is stop your priorty in life. here it just happens to be clothing. i dont walk into a gas station and ask the attendant to take off the turban.

probably because you are taking it to an extreme.
I think it also depends on your perception of private and public life.
France ecides that school is a public space and be religion-neutral. this doe snot say it is against your turban and forcing you to eat pork.

[RiseandShine]

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lemme word it like this.

you move here to NY. im the governer. you live here for a few years, and i tell you that you will be in legal violation if you (depending on ur personal situation)
a. fly a french flag
b. wear a cruxifix, yamaka (spelling off i know), turban or headscarf.

im sorry. it isnt going to make you like us anymore.

ok, France would allow you to fly flags if you want - you can be partiotic; but that's not the point.

And, yes, I will become more american if I behave as everyone else in a certain number of places.

Maybe the sticky part for you is the dirigism under which the french government France and other countries actually take decisions on broader fronts than just economy and taxes.

[RiseandShine]

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sightless, I'm not arguing that one is better - I am saying that they are just to different ways to deal with the relationship between state and religion. and the background to this is culture and types of institutions
I do think the European will continue to work on the long run - maybe needs to soften a bit but it will work.

[toasty]

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... that is a funny post Toasty. Not one thing has changed in a year, and what I mean by that is stability. Mideast has been a meltdown for decades, not just during the "Bushy" period, the economy is doing very well, black Friday sales were up 6% from last year, Corporate greed has been way around before Bush was born, Religious fanatics have been here since the dawn of day. I am sorry but I am calling bullshit on that post. That is a pretty big "lib" twist of something has been going on for some time.

OK, all of those things have been around for some time, but Bush has really taken those concepts and made them his own, IMO. We could sit here and debate all day whether the influence of evangelicals, the level of corruption/cronyism, and the degree of insanity in the mideast has gone up or down since Bush took office, but that probably isn't a useful exercise because for me it isn't even close and there's probably nothing that you or anyone else could point to that would convince me otherwise.

I think what really happened is ... people "believe" by getting a bunch of paper-pushers, tax raising, health care for all, pot-smoking, free-love, twist talking liberals into office would stop global warming and win the war on Iraq.

Way to hit those buzzwords. The truth, though, is that many of the "liberals" that were just elected are actually more in line with classic conservatives than the so-called conservatives that were running. The republicans totally lost their way, and they got creamed because of it.

[Lorn]

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what's incredibly funny is that Europe has been completely marginalized by Islam over the past three decades. It's become a vast colony that's slowly being devoured and assimilated.

I wouldn't call it funny but a serious problem. And the US better watch out before it happens here.

[thesightless]

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isnt it sad that we (the collective US population that votes) have allowed ourselves to reach the point where we are asking the question ''who is worse, i gotta vote for the other?'' as opposed to finding out who is actually a good leader..... fuck you two party system.

[Lorn]

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^Yea.

[asdf_admin]

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Sean. You hit the nail on the head.

and Toasty, I was pulling your chain.

Vote for all, vote Commie.

[88Mariner]

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I wouldn't call it funny but a serious problem. And the US better watch out before it happens here.

I don't believe it will happen here in the United States for multiple reasons.

1) Annual population growth and positive birth rates
2) Strong and consistent economic growth
3) Expanding Christian influence (I find this an incredible problem, but in this instance, it serves as an insulation from cultural upheaval)
4) Strong Military Presence

Europe on the other hand has:

1) negative population growth where Islam has nearly become the principle supplier of New Europeans
2) weakening economic growth. Even despite the advantage of over 150 million MORE people, the collective GDP of the EU is around 25% lower than that of America. And the gap is forecasted to widen. The lax immigration laws which exist to curb this trend (ie greater worker force) has continued to bring vast numbers of Muslims from around to Europe.
3) the inability to defend itself militarily, a result of creating the welfare state which in turn has incredibly complicated consequences. two of which are noted above.
4) an Islamic successor population


This won't happen by next year. But the events of the last year...London and Mardid bombings, French Riots, the murder of Theo Van Gogh and the response to the Allah/Bomb cartoons, have certainly made a major impact on all European nations. This won't happen in twenty years, but the trends we see today began well over two decades ago. And as long as protests sterilize the efforts to remedy this, and they have in the past, well...I think we can come up with our own judgements about how things will turn out.

This is the second dumbest post of the month, btw.