anyone think anything will come of this?

[thesightless]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6181029.stm

its interesting to say the least with a few rulers recently being guilty in international courts of genocide..

and this asshole clearly doesnt give a damn, saying he would have traveled to germany and deny the holocost, and asking ppl to help end isreal many times....

but, if he was indeed proven guilty, what would happen. i mean, the evidence is here, there, everywhere... but what happens....

Yao, Toasty, Rubyraks etc? anyone wanna share thoughts?

[88Mariner]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

Pointless. And equally frivolous. Regardless, moderate Iranians are at a crossroads. Either dispose of this wackjob, or face the consequences of indifference.

[Yao]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

Priceless....holding a conference and putting an incredible amount of weight on semothing that could be left alone just as well: it's just provocation, what are they going to do with it? buncha kids...

[davetlv]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

Many countries have laws concerning incitement of murder - where those that encourage the act are treated as culpable in the eyes of the law, so surely incitement to genocide must be treated in the same way.

Whilst you guys might feel that this is nothing more than blowing hot air, fundamentally this lunatic, who has called for the destruction of my country on countless occassions and wishes to have access to nuclear technology (and as they are oil rich the only natural conclusion is that they want it for weapons) must be stopped one way or another.

Now as a law abiding citizen of this planet I would rather that was done through legal mean - but he must be stopped. And whilst the pointless and unworthy appeasment filled UN sits on its ass yet again, something must be done.

[Bululu]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

Isn't this freedom of speech , its a free world where everyone can do and say anything no ???

[Miroslav]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

Isn't this freedom of speech , its a free world where everyone can do and say anything no ???

Certainly not in Iran or most any of the other Muslim-dominated societies! How ironic. But anyways...


Yeah, this lawsuit is just a symbolic gesture. They're going to get together a consortium of 75 bureaucrats and 38 lawyers and hold 54 special counsel sessions in which they will hold highly academic talks and peck at each other's arguments until they pass out some bullshit statement basically saying that Ahmadinejad is not a nice guy. They will all ceremoniously sign it. Ahmadinejad will maybe read it, laugh, and say "up yours, fuckers".

Oh wait, that's pretty much how everything works between the UN and Iran.

[88Mariner]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

I would have just let it stand at "this is how it works with the UN"

but, ok, i see what you're getting at.

[Miroslav]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

Isn't this freedom of speech , its a free world where everyone can do and say anything no ???

Ok, looking at this more... You don't really believe that people should be able to do whatever they want, do you? Unless you come back and say you're an anarchist, I'm going to assume that you don't. But on free speech in general...

I think this is a concept that in most cases is black and white but that also definitely has a grey area built into it. I struggle with how to deal with it, as I think do many in certain cases.

Classic case here in the states: the KKK. They hold their demonstrations and say all kinds of disgusting and hateful things - and I think that's tolerable. I don't want to take away their freedom of speech because I don't want mine taken away, either. But we trust that the KKK is not going to act on whatever they say to the detriment of the health of others - that's the point where your freedom of expression ends.

But then take the Al Quaeda clerics throughout Europe and other parts of the world. There seems to be a lot of evidence that they ARE going to act on whatever they say to the detriment of others - it comes through very clearly in the things you hear them say. What do you do there? Do you wait for them to recruit followers and gather themselves together, and then go deal with them once they knock down the next building?

It's one thing to be able to speak openly about Al Quaeda and about pros and cons to their approach. It's another thing to incite people into specific actions to the detriment of another specific group of people. I struggle with where the boundaries are on this, but I don't think that free speech should be a tabula rasa wherein there are no boundaries with consideration to the consequences of your speech. I'm no lawyer, but I think modern law in pretty much all democratic countries generally agrees with this.

As I've said before, with other parts of the world, including most Muslim-bases societies (that I can think of, at least), it's a whole different story...any form of "freedom of speech" appears to be an unintelligable concept there...

[davetlv]

Re: anyone think anything will come of this?

As I've said before, with other parts of the world, including most Muslim-bases societies (that I can think of, at least), it's a whole different story...any form of "freedom of speech" appears to be an unintelligable concept there...

It amuses me when apologists for mad mullahs like bulululululululu talk about freedom of speech Miroslav; one wonder whether these same apologist were screaming freedom of speech when those cartoons of Muhamed appeared earlier this year and in the riots and deaths that ensued.