Hussein?s death...

[TheLanciaFan]

ok, he was a murderer and didn´t respect human rights... he deserved to be in jail, but i ´d like to say that what we have just seen is a country that thinks it can do whatever it wishes in the name of the money, sorry, i meant "freedom" ... Such things as invade a country because of the possesion of "invisible" massive destruction weapons, bring it´s own Oil companies from motherland in order to get that precious black commoditie, and start a TV show called "The Hussein trial"...

So if you are a member of the Eurpean Comunity or Russia citizen or North Korea citizen you shouldn´t worry, but if you are in a Latin America country or some other thirld world country and that invasor country has some particular interest in yours... well, you better get some guns because you never know when it could come for your Oil, Water or even hte world famous "invisible massive destruction wapons" etc...

sorry for being this rude... but this has just annoyed me...and thousands of people around the globe

Get ready for much more violence in Irak since his death... for sure

[thesightless]

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stop whining. he got what was coming. why do you care?

[mnbvcxz]

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He's right though.

[superdave]

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The decision to execute Saddam was made by the Iraqi government not the American government. What I find amusing is how Bush haters say America invaded a sovereign country like Iraq and we are terrorists. However, when the elected Iraq government decides to execute a murderer there's criticism of how it shouldn't happen. Why are you meddling now?

I say be consistent in your views. If you are against the death penalty in all circumstances, I understand that. However don't pick and choose your arguments because you hate Bush.

Regardless of what we think, this is a big event for the Iraqis because Saddam won't ever again be in power after many years. I think it's a step forward for their government.

[TheLanciaFan]

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please show me the specific line when i mentioned that name... it`s already in you head... and it`s not a man, it`s the whole foreign policy... i dont care if it`s that man or somebody else... its way beyond one single man...

you know who decided to establish a new goverment in Iraq by force? yes!! you won!! North America was a friend of Hussein during de Iran-Irak war, offering the money and the weapons together with Europe against a Russia powered Iran. They were flesh and blood. And Hussein made the stupid mistake to invade Kuwait... and it was the perfect excuse to get rid of Saddam... why didn`t Northamerica say anything about human rigths and freedom during that war?!?! interests, my friend... money, power, ... . The world is/was full of dictators who didn`t matter human rights... you know the differences between those countries and Irak? ...yes, that magic black substance under the floor...

you said "Regardless of what we think, this is a big event for the Iraqis because Saddam won't ever again be in power after many years. I think it's a step forward for their government"... do you really thingçk there`s gonna be peace in the short term in Irak?!? This has just begun...

Please dont get me wrong... Hussein deserves a lifetime vacations in jail (i am against death sentence, but that`s other topic) but it`s not necesary to pretend that everything was done in the name of the freedom and human rights... came on!!

The main point is that no one is safe from an invasion from that powerful, and with economical deficit since the war started, country. Like the attemp to start a riot against Chavez in Venezuela in order to get rid of him (again with black gold under the floor)... USA just couldn´t, the people went to the streets to support him... that was another sample of what i meant in the first post...

[Localizer]

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The decision to execute Saddam was made by the Iraqi government not the American government. What I find amusing is how Bush haters say America invaded a sovereign country like Iraq and we are terrorists. However, when the elected Iraq government decides to execute a murderer there's criticism of how it shouldn't happen. Why are you meddling now?

I say be consistent in your views. If you are against the death penalty in all circumstances, I understand that. However don't pick and choose your arguments because you hate Bush.

Regardless of what we think, this is a big event for the Iraqis because Saddam won't ever again be in power after many years. I think it's a step forward for their government.

No, technically it's from the American government. How many of Saddam's lawyers were killed again? This isn't about politics, this is about power. Everything we see is just a scapegoat for what really goes on. Government is corrupt, corporations are corrupt, and one has to be naive that our government had no role in this. With that said, his death only provided temporary relief. It's only a matter of time before someone else takes his place and replicates what he did; all with the backing of our politicians.

[subterFUSE]

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please show me the specific line when i mentioned that name... it`s already in you head... and it`s not a man, it`s the whole foreign policy... i dont care if it`s that man or somebody else... its way beyond one single man...

you know who decided to establish a new goverment in Iraq by force? yes!! you won!! North America was a friend of Hussein during de Iran-Irak war, offering the money and the weapons together with Europe against a Russia powered Iran. They were flesh and blood. And Hussein made the stupid mistake to invade Kuwait... and it was the perfect excuse to get rid of Saddam... why didn`t Northamerica say anything about human rigths and freedom during that war?!?! interests, my friend... money, power, ... . The world is/was full of dictators who didn`t matter human rights... you know the differences between those countries and Irak? ...yes, that magic black substance under the floor...

you said "Regardless of what we think, this is a big event for the Iraqis because Saddam won't ever again be in power after many years. I think it's a step forward for their government"... do you really thingçk there`s gonna be peace in the short term in Irak?!? This has just begun...

Please dont get me wrong... Hussein deserves a lifetime vacations in jail (i am against death sentence, but that`s other topic) but it`s not necesary to pretend that everything was done in the name of the freedom and human rights... came on!!

The main point is that no one is safe from an invasion from that powerful, and with economical deficit since the war started, country. Like the attemp to start a riot against Chavez in Venezuela in order to get rid of him (again with black gold under the floor)... USA just couldn´t, the people went to the streets to support him... that was another sample of what i meant in the first post...

A few things in response:


The USA sided with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war because Iran was seen as the larger threat. Fundamentalist Islam was seen as a problem then, as it is now. Saddam, while clearly a brutal dictator, was a secular leader who appeared content (at least at the time) with holding Iraq. Iran was a larger power, intent on expanding outward.... and this is still true, even today. The choice to aid Saddam during that war was a case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." The USA was not alone in aiding Saddam. Nearly every country in Europe supplied Saddam with weapons and technology which he used to develop his WMD program. Whether it was chemical weapons technology from Germany or Italy, nuclear technology from Spain, or even biological samples of diseases supplied by the USA for medical use.... everyone helped Saddam in one way or another.

The USA was the leader of the coalition which liberated Kuwait during Gulf War I. Had it not been for the USA, Kuwait would probably still be under Iraqi control.

The decision not to oust Saddam following the Kuwait invasion was based on a number of factors, including:

1. Fear that the coalition would dissolve. Basically, we felt at the time that European countries who supported the liberation of Kuwait would not support a land invasion into Baghdad to remove Saddam.

2. The loss of USA military life was kept very low through the Kuwait liberation. It was felt that the primary mission was accomplished, and that more lives should not be lost at that time.

3. We had hoped that the Liraqi people would start their own coup from within to oust Saddam. In fact, this did happen but Saddam's military was quick to suppress any uprisings.

Look at issue # 1 I just posted. Funny how this is EXACTLY what Bush is being criticized for. Breaking up the coalition. But then all you Europeans come back with responses saying stuff like: "You should have taken Saddam out back in the first Gulf War." Seems a bit contradictory, doesn't it? We did not go after Saddam because it would have fractured the coalition. We are critisized for not acting. Saddam violates cease-fire agreements every day for 12 years, violates 17 UN Resolutions regarding his weapons programs, kicks out inspectors, pays suicide bombers who perpetrate attacks, aids terrorists who were injured in Afghanistan, and thumbs his nose at the international community. So after all of that, we decide to enforce the unanimously ratified UN Resolutions and go after Saddam, and we're criticized for breaking up the coalition.

You claim the whole reason for the war was oil. Well, what about the whole reason NOT to go to war? Do you know the real reason why France and Germany pulled out? Oil. They were both profiting with Saddam in power, through oil contracts. Both France and Germany were big losers financially from this war. THAT is why they opposed. It had nothing to do with morality. It had nothing to do with WMDs. They believed, just as every other intelligence service in the world believed, that Saddam had WMDs. But they were willing to let that slide because they were profiting while Saddam was in power. If you are so critical of government corruption, or corporate influence.... then please be fair about it. You can't even begin to act like the USA is the only guilty party when it comes to such things.


I do not think SuperDave was saying that Saddam's death was the end to violence in Iraq. He was saying that it was an important event, and this is true. It signifies an end to an era. It closes the book on a quarter century of brutal tyranny under Saddam. Many Iraqi's probably felt that it was possible for Saddam to return to power one day. This is clearly not possible any more, and it gives the people a chance to move forward. Of course, violence will continue. But that doesn't change the fact that this event is an important one for Iraq.

Please consider that this war.... while terrible.... is still rather young as far as wars go. It took the USA over a decade to establish itself as an autonomous power, free from British control. Many died in the fight for freedom. It didn't happen overnight. Not only did we fight a huge revolutionary war, but we later had a civil war which nearly fractured the country in two. And the USA is the model on which Europe is now shaping itself, whether their pride will allow them to admit it or not.

Lastly, I would like to know what would you have us do in Iraq now? Clearly we know you are critical of the decison to go there in the first place. But, at this point, that issue is rather moot. Time travel is not possible. So, do you think we should simply abandon Iraq... despite their inability to protect themselves from outside threats like Iran? I am sure that you dislike war and fighting, but do you realize the magnitude of what would happen if Iran moves in and controls Iraq? What if Iran gets a nuclear weapon?

[Lorn]

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I honestly didn't expect this to happen. It seemed like it wouldn't and then bamo he is dead.

[Localizer]

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I do not think SuperDave was saying that Saddam's death was the end to violence in Iraq. He was saying that it was an important event, and this is true. It signifies an end to an era. It closes the book on a quarter century of brutal tyranny under Saddam. Many Iraqi's probably felt that it was possible for Saddam to return to power one day. This is clearly not possible any more, and it gives the people a chance to move forward. Of course, violence will continue. But that doesn't change the fact that this event is an important one for Iraq.

This closes a chapter that had never finished being read. There are still many unanswered questions by people that Saddam should have been alive to answer. Was Milosevic executed after he was tried? No, even though he supposedly comitted suicide. One of the reasons being, aside from living life in exile, was that he was still holding information.

Furthermore, it's odd that we cannot see the hanging itself, and it was only confirmed by one of his lawyers that he was dead.

[subterFUSE]

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This closes a chapter that had never finished being read. There are still many unanswered questions by people that Saddam should have been alive to answer. Was Milosevic executed after he was tried? No, even though he supposedly comitted suicide. One of the reasons being, aside from living life in exile, was that he was still holding information.

Furthermore, it's odd that we cannot see the hanging itself, and it was only confirmed by one of his lawyers that he was dead.

Executing Saddam now was the Iraqi judicial system's call, not ours. There were a number of reasons why they chose to do this... including the timing with the end of the Hajj Pilgrimage, but more importantly it had to do with the fact that Saddam's 70th birthday was coming up, after which Iraqi law prohibits execution.

Keep Saddam alive for information? Are you kidding me? What information did we glean from having him in captivity these years, and then during the trial? Nothing. There is no point in keeping him alive for information because he wouldn't ever give it up. The trials against Saddam will continue even though he is already dead.

You won't see the actual death of Saddam in western media because they don't show anything like that. Oh...wait a minute.... I am wrong about that. CNN will show video of terrorists shooting US soldiers. But that's OK because they are making an anti-Bush point with that, right?

[toasty]

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Furthermore, it's odd that we cannot see the hanging itself, and it was only confirmed by one of his lawyers that he was dead.

I thought someone had posted a video of it in another thread -- never watched it though, so I can't be sure that's what it really was...

[FM]

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yea they'll show pictures of the noose on him and the like on TV, but not the "actual" hanging when it happened...

[sakio pod]

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lets bring him back to life.....and kill him all over again

i really enjoyed the video, hearing the body drop

[DIDI]

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Forget all the political shit. Capital punishment is wrong!

[sakio pod]

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whatever.....only if they did that here in the states and it happened so fast

BOOM one day your convicted the next your DEAD

fucking hell yeah