Fahrenheit 9/11 turns up the heat

[turban]

I wish people would just shut the fuck up about Moore and the whole half-truths thing. Media tells us a bunch of lies and half-truths all the time, at least his movie has some purpose to it (WAKE UP AMERICA!)

I hate posts like this.

Why should people shut up about it or any topic for that matter, just because YOU don't like it? If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, why not fuck off out of the thread.

[MJDub]

I wish people would just shut the fuck up about Moore and the whole half-truths thing. Media tells us a bunch of lies and half-truths all the time, at least his movie has some purpose to it (WAKE UP AMERICA!)

I agree with turban, STFU!

[algy]

I?d like to see Moore in a debate. Totally out of his element and not able to splice and dice a movie together based on his political agenda.

[Galapidate]

I wish people would just shut the fuck up about Moore and the whole half-truths thing. Media tells us a bunch of lies and half-truths all the time, at least his movie has some purpose to it (WAKE UP AMERICA!)

I hate posts like this.

Why should people shut up about it or any topic for that matter, just because YOU don't like it? If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, why not fuck off out of the thread.

I am not the only one who doesn't like it. There are many people like me who feel Moore is being unfairly criticized for what he does. The hypocrisy of it all is that these people who call him a liar watch news from conservative-slanted sources like Fox News, which is notorious for sensationalizing stories and misleading its viewers. My view is that these people who pass judgements on Moore are not informed enough in the first place to make those judgements, and that's what ticks me off.

[miks]

Bottom line: He won the Palm D'Or at Cannes (with Quentin Tarantino as the head of the judges) and the Oscar for Best Documentary. While Moore may be pushing his own personal agenda he is doing a fucking excellent job doing it. Outside the US he people love him, he is a Best Seller and his documentaries are on shelfs of every video shop across the world. And yeah he may even alter the results of an election.... so lets see.

[mylexicon]

3. He's got balls to be able to criticize American society the way he does. Show the man some respect.

Who the fuck needs balls to criticize this country??! Everyone has complaints
and everyone gets up on their soap box to rant from time to time. The
problem is Michael Moore focuses on very unimportant problems that have
enormous emotional impact. He uses these heavily polarized political issues
to sway people into his constituency. Later he hopes to use their poor manipulated
minds to accomplish his utterly idiotic agenda. He is displeased about the way
America works and his grand solution is more legislation.......

Guess what moore, been there, done that......all the bitching we have today
is because of poorly written legislation and it keeps getting worse. Come up
with a new idea that doesn't involve you using the police to incarcerate me
if i don't abide by your legislative opinions.

[turban]

I wish people would just shut the fuck up about Moore and the whole half-truths thing. Media tells us a bunch of lies and half-truths all the time, at least his movie has some purpose to it (WAKE UP AMERICA!)

I hate posts like this.

Why should people shut up about it or any topic for that matter, just because YOU don't like it? If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, why not fuck off out of the thread.

I am not the only one who doesn't like it. There are many people like me who feel Moore is being unfairly criticized for what he does. The hypocrisy of it all is that these people who call him a liar watch news from conservative-slanted sources like Fox News, which is notorious for sensationalizing stories and misleading its viewers. My view is that these people who pass judgements on Moore are not informed enough in the first place to make those judgements, and that's what ticks me off.

You're making him out to be some kind of saint.

All I am trying to say is that people who watch the documentary should watch it with a hint of scepticism. But, hey, if the people believe what they see and it aids towards Bush loosing the next election, then I'm a happy man.

[mylexicon]

I am not the only one who doesn't like it. There are many people like me who feel Moore is being unfairly criticized for what he does. The hypocrisy of it all is that these people who call him a liar watch news from conservative-slanted sources like Fox News, which is notorious for sensationalizing stories and misleading its viewers. My view is that these people who pass judgements on Moore are not informed enough in the first place to make those judgements, and that's what ticks me off.

Come to your senses man!!! Get a grip!!! Michael Moore walks around saying
the media sucks, school shootings are bad, and war is bad too. Everything
he says is some blatatantly obvious its ridiculous. The problem is his solutions.
Therein, lies his blatant manipulation. He is trying to convince America
that new laws and the elimination of Bush will solve all of our problems. Just like
he has already convinced the rest of the world that American reform will make their
lives better.

The things he claims are so utterly ridiculous it is mind boggling. He has somehow
managed to convince the world that controlling other people will be the key
to their happiness and success. It is utter lunacy and completely against
everything we believe in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[delirious]

He is trying to convince America
that new laws and the elimination of Bush will solve all of our problems. Just like he has already convinced the rest of the world that American reform will make their lives better.

Where does he say that new laws and the elimination of Bush will solve all our problems?

Who's making the untrue accusations now?

[Galapidate]

I am not the only one who doesn't like it. There are many people like me who feel Moore is being unfairly criticized for what he does. The hypocrisy of it all is that these people who call him a liar watch news from conservative-slanted sources like Fox News, which is notorious for sensationalizing stories and misleading its viewers. My view is that these people who pass judgements on Moore are not informed enough in the first place to make those judgements, and that's what ticks me off.

Come to your senses man!!! Get a grip!!! Michael Moore walks around saying
the media sucks, school shootings are bad, and war is bad too. Everything
he says is some blatatantly obvious its ridiculous. The problem is his solutions.
Therein, lies his blatant manipulation. He is trying to convince America
that new laws and the elimination of Bush will solve all of our problems. Just like
he has already convinced the rest of the world that American reform will make their
lives better.

The things he claims are so utterly ridiculous it is mind boggling. He has somehow
managed to convince the world that controlling other people will be the key
to their happiness and success. It is utter lunacy and completely against
everything we believe in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree some of his tactics may be ridiculous, but that's because regular debating or discussion will not get anything solved in this country anymore. The government should be something to serve us, but it doesn't anymore (hmm, sounds like transcendentalism).

As for the elimination of Bush, I don't think all of Fahrenheit 9/11 focuses on him. There are some parts, but a lot of it has to do with recent events in our time like the Patriot Act and the war. At least that's the impression I get from someone I know who went to see it. But you can't blame Moore for trying to help the people. Those new laws would protect Americans, and getting rid of Bush, although it may be too late now, would prevent us, the average Americans, from paying for this war.

Where does Moore show that controlling people will lead to success? In Bowling for Columbine gun restriction is actually rational, but where else aside from that?

[dohturdima]

3. He's got balls to be able to criticize American society the way he does. Show the man some respect.

Sigh. It's not about balls, when pants are down in a country where law actually honors the the 1st Amendment. It's about 1. money 2. publicity 3. money 4. political agenda 5. money. Shall I go on? :wink: Respect, indeed... I'd like to see the likes of M Moore show them balls Chinese dissidents (and, in the past, Russian dissidents in the ol' USSR) obviously have, being fully aware of the consequences to their lives and those of their loved ones. But, of course that is a moot point.

Michael Moore is neither the first nor the last it his kind. Gore Vidal and Chomsky are still around. At least Kurt Vonnegut wrote something arguably half-decent prior to his current ranting. Oh, and Mr. Soros is trying his hand at penmanship, while openly saying that he will give a substantial bundle of $$$ to whoever opposes Bush. What can one say - election year...

[Yao]

First. Ignorance is bliss. Second, nobody in America thinks our government is perfect. I mean come on. Most do recognize that its the best form of democracy in existence, or on this planet any way.

I disagree. Any democracy trying to impose itself on any other country is not acting in a democratic way. It's dictating the world politics.

He doesn't do a damn thing to try and address these problems. He just states the obvious and then makes it sound worse then it really is. He never brought up that Clinton ignored al Quada for 8 years, only that Bush did it for 8 months. U don't see the hypocricy there??

Bush got slapped in the face with it. I still think Clinton was a better president despite his sexual overactivity... :?

[thespian]

That's why Bill Clinton was a better president.. because of his sexual activities....
If Bush had good sex.... he could relax and make better decisions.
By the way what's with Cliton's new book??

[krelm]

I think you've got to understand that Kill Bill is a fictitious Film. Moore's 'documentary', on the other hand, is apparently based upon fact. Also, apparently, Moore's documentary dishes out some rather large accusations. I haven't seen it as yet, and I'm going to be VERY sceptical about the whole thing.

My lord, are people still under the assumption that Moore's films are actually documentaries?

He takes facts, he twists them, and he creates a spin. NO shit!

I get irritated when people claim he is irresponsible because he is making misleading, accusatory and inflammatory documentaries - his films aren't documentaries dumbasses! People who claim that he is "uncovering the truth" are equally idiotic. Sure, there is some truth deep down in there somewhere, but it ain't what appears on the big screen.

Either you think his movies are entertaining or not (I think they are a load of fun) - but don't take them as anything more than fact-inspired entertainment. Not worth getting all worked up over either way.

[phishfood]

clinton was a better president than our current vacation-in-chief bush. but remember that both have/had a large team of monkeys behind working away.

the ingorance is bliss approach is part of the problem in america today. too many people are caught up in the daily grind of modern life to think outside of themselves. the obvious problem behind big media is not that appearent since they still get large ratings. those ratings and profits are apart of the problem with the media as well as who owns the media.

moore is just pointing out a part of the hypocrisy and is taking the heat for it. all long as he is making people think, he is succeeding.

of course people will use any means necessary to illustrate their point. and if you can reach at peoples emotions, esp fear, you will be able to control them all the better. oh and it helps to throw as much money at it as possible. the passions of christ was a good example of using peoples emotions and beliefs to make a buck.