What Diggers didn't say about Ableton.

[Bululu]

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^^^^^Very Very well said sir.

[Lrn]

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+1

[SyntaxTerror]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[jeffrey collins]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

James might be a great producer, but he's not all that much of a philosopher. It's not destroying someones track simply by re-editing it on the fly...it's customizing it for that performance. I'd feel like i didn't give my crowd their moneys worth if I didn't give them what they weren't getting from other dj's. I happen to love looping a certain part of a track and then dropping the original back in.

James shouldn't be one to talk about "fucking up" other peoples tracks. If you weren't for doing that. Thank you should stay your ass away from remixing altogether. As Isn't that the basis of remixing anyway?

[JK224]

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Transitions has been shit for a while...sure there are some cool tracks but most of the time it sounds like nails on a chalkboard type shit. Hernan Cattaneo has done his show using Ableton for a while now and its maintained its level of greatness imo. And btw what did djs use to put together their radio shows before Ableton? How did Digweed do it back in 2001 for example?

[Taylor Norris]

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I personally dont care what tools a DJ chooses to use as long as the sound quality is maintained and my feet are moving.

My biggest problem with all the new DJ technology is the steady decline in the quality of audio. DJ's playing 192's or worse sometimes.
For example: DJ Sneak played here just this past week. It was an all CD set filled with great tracks and excellent mixing but..... sounded like total shit. Heavily compressed Mp3's are not meant for the club and I want to piss on DJ's that cant at least play 320's.

Vinyl will always be king imo and Im not trying to start a vinyl/digtal debate. I understand that downloading music and carrying a CD case with thousands of tracks is infinately more convenient than lugging heavy and cumbersome vinyl around. I just wish DJ's would have the courtesy to at least stick to 320's.

I feel like a DJ has no respect for the people who pay his bills when they play shitty Mp3's. I may have traveled some distance and payed good money to get in the door and the DJ cant even stick to 320's.....

piss on em

[day_for_night]

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Transitions has been shit for a while...sure there are some cool tracks but most of the time it sounds like nails on a chalkboard type shit. Hernan Cattaneo has done his show using Ableton for a while now and its maintained its level of greatness imo. And btw what did djs use to put together their radio shows before Ableton? How did Digweed do it back in 2001 for example?

digweed used to mix all the kiss shows every damned week. i remember sets that actually had minor mistakes (gasp!) in them. it was great...and i miss those days, but i can totally understand why he has gone that way with his shows and no one here can possibly justify looking down on him for it.

and just cause you don't like the new transitions, does NOT mean they're bad. they're fucking fantastic, in my opinion. digweed still really cares about the music, and it shows.

[miketpoto]

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digweed used to mix all the kiss shows every damned week. i remember sets that actually had minor mistakes (gasp!) in them. it was great...and i miss those days, but i can totally understand why he has gone that way with his shows and no one here can possibly justify looking down on him for it.

Digweed's KISS show used to be almost entirely comprised of sections of his live shows. He didn't mix them in the studio, he just did voiceovers with track names and such.

[Localizer]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

That's like saying I shouldn't put mods on my car. But in the end, there's always a little something that can be done to enhance a piece. It allows for the listener to add their own interpretation of the tracks.

[Lrn]

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ill always enjoy solid track selection over some gay ass on the fly loop, but i guess thats just me..rember the show is called transitions, its not about the dj its about the tracks

[miketpoto]

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ill always enjoy solid track selection over some gay ass on the fly loop, but i guess thats just me..rember the show is called transitions, its not about the dj its about the tracks

Actually, the name transitions would suggest it's about the mixing.... wouldn't it?

Logic? Logic Party of 1, your table is ready!

[Lrn]

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yea whatever, i like how jd keeps his mixing simple and i hope he doent gettin in to elaborate loops and samples...hes mixes are amazing as is.

[RiseandShine]

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I agree that quality results is the objective - but I like to know how things are done and helps me knowing what to expect. I'm open to any means to get something that I'll be enjoying more but some djs really get lost in their technological revolution mindsets

[day_for_night]

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Digweed's KISS show used to be almost entirely comprised of sections of his live shows. He didn't mix them in the studio, he just did voiceovers with track names and such.

where'd you read that?? everything i've ever read says he mixed those shows especially for kiss. he played tunes on many shows that there is just no way he'd be playing live, period. and why would he do special releases of 'live' sets on the old kiss shows if he was doing that with every one of them??

[miketpoto]

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where'd you read that?? everything i've ever read says he mixed those shows especially for kiss. he played tunes on many shows that there is just no way he'd be playing live, period. and why would he do special releases of 'live' sets on the old kiss shows if he was doing that with every one of them??

I had the oppportunity to ask him myself... and he said it would be too much to go into the studio and record a show each week, so he records his sets in clubs and does the voiceovers afterwards. I'm sure that he did a few specifically for the show, but apparently that wasnt the norm...