The religion of peace strikes again

[subterFUSE]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

I don't really think religion is behind the violence, but I think it's the people using religion to condone their behavior.

A couple of examples, Muslims in America haven't committed terrorist acts, but Middle Eastern Muslims are know for terrorism. Also, Christian crusades were violent, but claimed to be fighting for God.

Does being religious make one violent? Certainly not. But religion enables violence by providing a cause for people to fight, and an irrational justification for it that can't be questioned. Many religions teach us that questioning God is blasphemy... but Islam is particularly bad in this respect. Even in most moderate Islamic countries, questioning the Quran is punishable by death.

When was the last time you turned on the television and saw Athiests clashing in the streets with Agnostics? Religion serves no other purpose but to divide people.... to remove rational thought / personal responsibility from our lives... and to provide a control mechanism over the masses. It's very hard for us to use our brains to think through and solve our problems or differences. It's so much easier to just give up and say, "God wills it." or "God will take care of me." or "This is all part of God's plan." And when people are taught not to question authority, they are easier to control. Religious leaders have known this for centuries, and used it to serve their own ambitions.

Christianity has been extremely violent throughout history. This is not some secret or big surprise. And when you consider that Christianity, Islam and Judaism all basically comes from the same beginnings, just interpreted differently... then you REALLY begin to see how much violence has come from the Abrahamic religions.

[KinKyJ]

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^^^what he said

[superdave]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

Does being religious make one violent? Certainly not. But religion enables violence by providing a cause for people to fight, and an irrational justification for it that can't be questioned. Many religions teach us that questioning God is blasphemy... but Islam is particularly bad in this respect. Even in most moderate Islamic countries, questioning the Quran is punishable by death.

When was the last time you turned on the television and saw Athiests clashing in the streets with Agnostics? Religion serves no other purpose but to divide people.... to remove rational thought / personal responsibility from our lives... and to provide a control mechanism over the masses. It's very hard for us to use our brains to think through and solve our problems or differences. It's so much easier to just give up and say, "God wills it." or "God will take care of me." or "This is all part of God's plan." And when people are taught not to question authority, they are easier to control. Religious leaders have known this for centuries, and used it to serve their own ambitions.

Christianity has been extremely violent throughout history. This is not some secret or big surprise. And when you consider that Christianity, Islam and Judaism all basically comes from the same beginnings, just interpreted differently... then you REALLY begin to see how much violence has come from the Abrahamic religions.

Some good points made, but a few things I would disagree wtih like the example of Atheists fighting Agnostics which isn't a good example. Quite frequently Atheists clash with Christians to remove God out of the world. Atheists backed by the ACLU sue over prayer in school, removing the 10 commandments, nativity scenes at Xmas, Xmas itself, and now the use of the word Easter. Atheists and agnostics fight very hard to remove God and Jesus out of the world.

Christianity has been violent throughout history and we can all agree on that, but Jesus never said go and kill in my name. He actually resisted and taught against violence, but as you mention religious leaders use religion to control the masses to do what they want.

The discerning Christian,Jew, or Muslim is one who should ask is what I'm being taught and told is doctrinally sound. With that attitude and reasoning, the idea of free thought isn't abandoned as you attempt to point out. Christians change churches because they realize that they are not being taught what they should be. To say everyone in any religion lacks any idea of independent thinking is to stereotype a large group of people isn't right or even true. I agree there is some truth to it, but not everyone are sheep that blindly follow.

[hambino21]

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And I second that^^^^^

[subterFUSE]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

Some good points made, but a few things I would disagree wtih like the example of Atheists fighting Agnostics which isn't a good example. Quite frequently Atheists clash with Christians to remove God out of the world. Atheists backed by the ACLU sue over prayer in school, removing the 10 commandments, nativity scenes at Xmas, Xmas itself, and now the use of the word Easter. Atheists and agnostics fight very hard to remove God and Jesus out of the world.

Protesting in the streets or bringing a court action are a far cry from stoning people to death, cutting off heads/arms, and killing masses of people in the name of an invisible man in the sky. I don't think you can equate the actions of some athiests petitioning for the removal of religion from the public arena to the violence perpetrated by religious people over the centuries.

[hambino21]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

First off there is a difference in being spiritual and being religious. I was a raised in the church( it happenedto be protestant) and taught the word and all. My parents are very active in the church and their spirituality means everything to them. I still retain my spirituality myself, and it means a lot to me also, but I was never taught to push my faith on other people or believe blindly and not ask questions. It's human nature to question thinggs especially as you get older. It kills me how many people look down upon others who have a faith and are spritual, it doesn't make one ignorant to believe in a higher power. I actually believe it's arrogant not to, but once again that is my beliefs and it's not my place to judge. I was taught that God gave us FREE WILL to decide what to do with ourselves, the whole fundamentalist approach negates that entire belief structure and makes no sense to me. Just a thought considering theres a lot of negative commentary towards the people of faith on here. Not all spiritual people are what you see on TV and hear on the radio.

[Bululu]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

^^^ The wisest words I've read on this section of the forum.

[davetlv]

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More from the so called religion of peace - it seems like its a bad time to be a Buddhist in parts of Thailand.

Nine Buddhists murdered in Thai Muslim south.

by Mohamad Sabri Musordi

YALA, Thailand (AFP) - Nine Buddhists were murdered Wednesday after separatists ambushed their bus in Thailand's restive Muslim-majority south, highlighting an escalation in the insurgency.

Local police said three men and six women, including two girls aged 14 and 15, were shot in the head at point-blank range after armed rebels forced their minibus off the road.


The driver, a Muslim man, and a seriously injured Buddhist passenger were the only survivors from the daylight attack in Yala, one of three southern provinces where about 2,000 people have been killed in three years of separatist unrest.


"Militants opened fire on a minibus full of passengers who commute between Betong (district) and Hat Yai, and the bus veered off the road," Colonel Acar Tiproach, a Thai army spokesman, told AFP.


Eight of the passengers, who police said included traders, villagers, teachers, students and one solider, died immediately. One more died on the way to hospital.


A police officer at the scene said separatist rebels had placed logs on the road to force the minibus to a stop.


"When the bus slowed down, they opened fire. The bus veered off the road, and then the militants got on and shot the passengers in the head at point blank range," the investigating officer said.


Colonel Apirak Sungkhao, a Yala police commander, said militants detonated a small roadside bomb about 500 metres from the scene of the attack to prevent the army or police from approaching quickly, because they would have to do a security sweep first.
He said they also put spikes on the road to stop vehicles approaching.


No one was injured in the blast, he added.


When police and media arrived on the scene, they found the minibus crashed in a ditch, with the victims slumped in the bloodstained seats where they were killed, execution-style.


The gruesome multiple killing followed a similar ambush Tuesday, when a pickup truck carrying people to a funeral in Yala was attacked by militants who shot dead a 61-year-old Buddhist.


Violence has recently escalated in the region bordering Malaysia despite a raft of peace-building measures proposed by Thailand's military-installed government.


A string of coordinated bomb blasts across Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani provinces last month killed nine and injured 44. Attacks have also become more gruesome, with two people beheaded by suspected militants this month.


Analysts and military sources said Wednesday's massacre might have been in retribution for an army raid on a militant training base on March 2 that killed at least five separatist rebels in Narathiwat.


"I think they want to revenge some of their group who were attacked by rangers, so they kill some people," said Perayot Rahimmula, an academic and analyst based in Pattani.
He said he did not think the attack aimed to inflame sectarian tension between Buddhists and Muslims, but added the escalation of violence had prompted some Buddhists to consider fleeing their homes in the south.


Thailand is a predominantly Buddhist country. The three southern Muslim provinces were an autonomous ethnic Malay sultanate until Thailand annexed them a century ago, and outbreaks of separatist violence have erupted ever since.


The region has recently been on high alert, with the authorities warning of specific attacks from March 13-15 to mark the anniversary of the founding in 1963 of separatist group Barisan Revolusi Nasional Melayu Pattani.


Source

[KinKyJ]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

Yeah Dave, we all know fundis are bad people by now *yawn*

[thesightless]

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Yeah Dave, we all know fundis are bad people by now *yawn*

yeah, but if any of the other religions' funid's acted like they do in the middle east, there would be a firestorm, there, the fundis are put in for the muslim equivelent of sainthood in christianity. the whole region should have a cage.

[thesightless]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

wait i forgot a few.

vishnu fucked a bear
budda was really just fat and decadent.
Taoism, Confucianism, Cao-Dai, Shintoism.... well they are all wrong. not even close.

[Jenks]

Re: The religion of peace strikes again

vishnu fucked a bear

awesome!

[thesightless]

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it is amazing how many stupid ppl in the world actually belive in thier respective religions. jesus, mohammed, and moses may have been real, but they didnt talk to god, or do any miracles, they were in the right place at the right time and said the right thing to get people to follow what they wanted to do. think about it. if a guy could turn water into wine, wouldnt MILLIONS hear about it right away, and further, wouldnt they immediately call him out on it? like i said, they are all nothing more than guidelines for living a decent life while respecting others. and in the middle east, they dont even respect each other, evidenced by the last thousand years, and iraq right now. to think they are blaiming america for deaths when american troops have only been responsible for roughly 300 death of civilians(according to the iraqi officials, not ours)

[davetlv]

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Yeah Dave, we all know fundis are bad people by now *yawn*

Must be fun living Eurabia Jan.

If the subject is so boring Jan, no one is forcing you to read or reply to the thread.

[KinKyJ]

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Must be fun living Eurabia Jan.

Yup, plenty of muslim bitches to fuck and no ducking for katuchas. It rocks!

If the subject is so boring Jan, no one is forcing you to read or reply to the thread.

The subject isn't boring, it's just that the posts never change.