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I don't think any Congressman should be able to vote to continue this war unless they can take an unprotected walk in Baghdad for fifteen minutes. Put the voting booth in the middle of Baghdad, give them some purple ink and any Congressman who can make it to the voting area without a military escort and vote yes to continue the war should have their vote counted.
I asked Newsweek's Baghdad correspondent Babak Dehghanpisheh if a Westerner, journalist or otherwise, could walk around in Baghdad unprotected by the military. He said it would be "suicidal."
It would be funny if it weren't so tragically accurate.
This was part of a larger article on how Newsweek's Baghdad correspondent indicated that a Westerner walking around Baghdad unprotected would be "suicidal" and that the chances of you being kidnapped or killed was "100%."
Geez, what was it like before we were making all this progress?
No denying there is progress in Iraq. Ignore both Republicans and Democrats and listen to the military and people that are career officials that don't have to get re-elected. Republicans try to look like tough, kick ass leaders to their war mongering base. And the Democrats not even secretly want our soldiers to die and the Iraq war fail. Not all Dems and Republicans btw.
It's a tough call whether to leave or not. Things are better in Iraq and troop withdrawl starts next year, so maybe it's best to see this through. Or the small progress made could be literally blown away in the coming months.
Btw, that moveon.org ad against the General was out of line. Things like that cause independents and the center to vote Republican. Disrespecting the military like that is horrible.
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte
Btw, that moveon.org ad against the General was out of line.
Agreed on that point. Totally unnecessary.
Originally posted by superdave
No denying there is progress in Iraq.
Well, that's true, but there is significant blurring about the "why" of that progress. There's all this discussion of whether or not the "surge" is working, and there is also talk about all the progress in the Anbar province, where Sunnis are now fighting against Al Qaeda forces. The conclusion Bush and the advocates of the war hope you'll draw is that the two are connected.
The reality, however, is that the change in the Anbar province began pre-surge and was a result of our troops taking a step back and giving the Sunnis some ownership of their own region. Once it was apparent to the Sunnis that they were fighting for their own territory, they wanted to oust the Al Qaeda forces from it, too. It was not the presence of more troops in Anbar that did the trick, it was actually having less troops in that particular region, with US troops playing more of a supporting role. Accordingly, not only does the progress in Anbar not support the argument for preserving the surge, it actually supports the opposite strategy.
It is important to remember, though, that Sunnis are not fighting Al Qaeda because they want Al Qaeda out of Iraq. They are fighting Al Qaeda because they want Al Qaeda out of Anbar, a Sunni-controlled region of The Region Formally Known As Iraq. There is no Iraq, there is just a region with three autonomous factions. Partitioning the country into regions that these groups give a rip about and are willing to fight for is the only way we're ever going to see an end to this conflict. Maybe you have a loose, centralized government to handle things of mutual concern (read: oil profits), but continuing to pretend that "success" is with them living together in one happy country is one of the major sources of the problem, IMO.
Great way to turn this discussion
in the wrong direction. The US Govt is gonna ride this Iraq situation out
through the 2008 elections. It is too big of a political weapon to ignore
and a great to entice or let say manipulate votes out of the few americans
who still care to vote.
Originally posted by Shpira
So came back last night...
Sven Vath was amazing...he played a god damn killer set...ended up going to that and came to at like 10 am in some whore house in south Amsterdam...no idea how I ended up there...friday was a bit of a blur got really drunk and visited several parties can't remember a whole lot to be honest hehe...saturday was probably the best day that I recall...started up in the nearest coffee shop and going from party to party...beautiful woman, beer and weed...finished the night by taking some shrooms and listening to an amazing elke kleijn set...sunday...i met a nice girl who worked at one of the coffee shops and ended up talking to her for like 6 hours...was supposed to meet her at some DnB party...but instead went for a steak and walked around red light district bars drinking and smoking...monday took it easy went to a coffee shop and took a taxi to airport....
All in all...I think I will be going back there some time soon
Originally posted by Illuminate
Let me get this straight.
So white-middle class Americans have been told by their Television sets to be fearful of:
1. Mexicans/Latinos from the South bringing drugs and killings n' shit.
2. African Americans cause mos def they are raging a race war and want to occupy America like how the plebs occupied Wall St.
3. Iranians/Afghans/Any one of middle eastern origin to be quite frank, cause you know Islam...
4. North Koreans/Chinese cause you know everything...
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